How Much Should we be supporting each other as groups in the Church of Christ?

Discussion in 'Covenant Theology' started by Dachaser, Feb 9, 2019.

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  1. Kinghezy

    Kinghezy Puritan Board Freshman

    For sure. I think the advice of sticking with the most faithful church that is close to you applies. Sorry, it is not feasible to travel 2hrs to attend the most reformed I can find or to relocate (as I have seen some argue). I do not think most places or times have that luxury.
  2. Kinghezy

    Kinghezy Puritan Board Freshman

    Well... to be fair, we like whip cream, just we [do] not want our brownies drowned in it.

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  3. Edward

    Edward Puritan Board Doctor

    I've never been a member of a congregation that didn't keep capital campaigns separate from operating budgets. I have been a member of a church that did keep the annual missions budget separate from the general fund.

    The first step needed for that discussion is a definition of "missions".
  4. Stephen L Smith

    Stephen L Smith Moderator Staff Member

    Cannot find it on the web; probably because of copyright. Also cannot find it on his sermons page. Pergamum, if you ever need teaching to feed your soul, Dr Lloyd-Jones is one of the best. He is not one of those 'dry' 'academic' pastors you are often concerned about

    Also it is worth getting the complete book. Dr Lloyd-Jones often warns against academic study that does not touch the heart and make Christians useful in the service of God and man. A point you often make.
  5. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    It should not be an issue that causes us to either divide or not support each other though, as both sides agree that it is a sign, just disagree on who and when to have it applied.
  6. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    I think the point would be in addition to, or else if it was the only viable church in area established already.
  7. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    I see the scriptures teaching much as Dr Lloyd-Jones saw this issue, as we are united around the person and work of Jesus Christ.
  8. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    The one time there was a separation was between him and Dr Stott, and still not quite sure for what reason.
  9. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

    That is no minor disagreement, and it is not even the extent of difference between Presbyterians and Baptists.

    As for supporting each other, it depends on what is meant.
  10. Stephen L Smith

    Stephen L Smith Moderator Staff Member

    Basically over the question of who is a Christian (broadly speaking). See the relevant chapters in "Knowing the Times".
  11. Pergamum

    Pergamum Ordinary Guy (TM)

    "Just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit..."
    (1 Corinthians 12:1-21)

    "In Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise." (Galatians 3:26-29)

    "For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God. (Ephesians 2:11-19)"


    If we are one body and one family and one loaf and one building, and since we have one common Saviour and one common destination, then we are, indeed, already united in Christ.

    If Baptists count confessional presbyterians as true believers despite their error of baptism, and if Presbyterians count confessional baptists as true believers despite their supposed baptism errors, then we ARE united as believers, despite some disagreements.

    If there are many churches to pick from, we should choose the one that suits us best. But in regions lacking solid churches, there is no compromise in finding a way to worship together with all true believers. And in emergencies and hard times we should be ready to come to the assistance of all people who are of the household of faith. The emphasis should be on the unity we have in Christ.

    Not every Christian of another stripe is a heretic.
  12. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

    I think you've worded that one backwards! ;)

    That is no answer to the question in the OP.

    No one has suggested anything of the sort.
  13. Kinghezy

    Kinghezy Puritan Board Freshman

    Them fighting words.
  14. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    We are all one now in Christ Jesus though, correct?
    And support would be as in provoding for the other party financial, spiritual, physical blessings when needed and asked for...
  15. Susan777

    Susan777 Puritan Board Freshman

    And Jello salads......
  16. Pergamum

    Pergamum Ordinary Guy (TM)

    I really cannot see what is objectionable about helping another Christian if they need help. If your church policy forbids this somehow, there is a problem with your church.
  17. bookslover

    bookslover Puritan Board Professor

    Ah. I forgot about the Jello salads!
  18. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

    It looks to me as though you've answered your own question.
  19. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

    I don't think anyone is saying, "Don't help Baptists!" And they're certainly not saying that those Christians who've got baptism wrong are for that reason lesser Christians (which you earlier appeared to suggest they were saying).

    It really depends on circumstances.
  20. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    I just think we should see each other as now being extended family, and there will always be some friction between siblings...
  21. Pergamum

    Pergamum Ordinary Guy (TM)

    Great analogy.
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