How do you pronounce the Hebrew conjunction?

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  1. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritanboard Amanuensis

    Is it to be pronounced "waw" or "vav?"

    Vav is easier to read and has a better cadence, yet I say "Yahweh."
  2. VictorBravo

    VictorBravo Administrator Staff Member

    I say "vav" and "Yahveh" It sounds better to me.

    No way I'm going to call the sweet psalmist "Daweed."
  3. Taylor Sexton

    Taylor Sexton Puritan Board Junior

    I say “vav.”
  4. iainduguid

    iainduguid Puritan Board Sophomore

    The emeritus professor at Cambridge, J.A. Emerton (born 1928) spoke of the "wow-consecutive" in my days there, however his younger counterparts (H.G.M. Williamson and R.P Gordon) called it a "vav consecutive". The w sound used to be conventional but has been overtaken by the v sound, in line with Modern Hebrew.
  5. Timotheos

    Timotheos Puritan Board Freshman

    Do you still use that terminology or have you switched to something like the "narrative-form" or some such?

    The worst is when you bounce from one prof to another who have (and expect) different pronunciations. I have one prof who wants to use the (as best as he can tell) the ancient pronunciations, including the slight "g" sound in the ayin. And it is most definitely "w" for the waw. But I learned from the modern pronunciation and have had a few profs demand that. I wish you OT guys would make up your mind! ;-)
  6. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritanboard Amanuensis

    I've listened to several Jewish scholars read the Hebrew bible and they use vav. Miles van Pelt was my Hebrew prof, along with Currid. I am fairly certain both of those used "waw."

    Still, vav is more euphonic and easier to read.
  7. py3ak

    py3ak They're stalling and plotting against me Staff Member

    I wish I had been told to use that -- I about made a mess in my car practicing what I was told was "the sound of incipient vomiting".
  8. iainduguid

    iainduguid Puritan Board Sophomore

    Like most things in languages, it's a bit more complicated than that. 'ayin actually comes from two different letters with different sounds. One has something of a "g" to it, as may be seen by place names like Gaza and Gomorrah (both of which begin with an 'ayin). But the other was more silent. It's probably helpful to think of the silent sound as a glottal stop, like a Cockney's "bottle", in which the t's disappear into a silent pause.
  9. py3ak

    py3ak They're stalling and plotting against me Staff Member

    That's a helpful comparison, Dr. Duguid, thank you. Is it possible to generalize and say that at the beginning of a word there should be a "g" tinge and within a word more of the glottal stop?
  10. Johnathan Lee Allen

    Johnathan Lee Allen Puritan Board Freshman

    I say vav. I also say Adonai when I come across YHWH. I’ve had two different Hebrew professors, Drs. James Coakley and Michael Wechsler (one used Pratico/Van Pelt and the other uses Ross). Both agree on these pronunciations, but they do differ on others.
  11. iainduguid

    iainduguid Puritan Board Sophomore

    I defer to more expert grammarians than myself, but I don't think it's that straightforward. Not every name that begins with an 'ayin gets the "g" sound in the Septuagint - King Omri, for example.
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  12. Charles Johnson

    Charles Johnson Puritan Board Freshman

    Ayin is a voiced pharyngeal fricative.
  13. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Senior

    That is my second-favourite kind of fricative.
  14. bookslover

    bookslover Puritan Board Doctor

    I just pronounce it "Ralph" and let it go at that.
  15. Charles Johnson

    Charles Johnson Puritan Board Freshman

  16. jawyman

    jawyman Puritan Board Junior

    I was taught to say vav, but I say Yahweh.
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