How do you pronounce the Hebrew conjunction?

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BayouHuguenot

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Is it to be pronounced "waw" or "vav?"

Vav is easier to read and has a better cadence, yet I say "Yahweh."
 

iainduguid

Puritan Board Sophomore
I say “vav.”
The emeritus professor at Cambridge, J.A. Emerton (born 1928) spoke of the "wow-consecutive" in my days there, however his younger counterparts (H.G.M. Williamson and R.P Gordon) called it a "vav consecutive". The w sound used to be conventional but has been overtaken by the v sound, in line with Modern Hebrew.
 

Timotheos

Puritan Board Freshman
The emeritus professor at Cambridge, J.A. Emerton (born 1928) spoke of the "wow-consecutive" in my days there, however his younger counterparts (H.G.M. Williamson and R.P Gordon) called it a "vav consecutive". The w sound used to be conventional but has been overtaken by the v sound, in line with Modern Hebrew.
Do you still use that terminology or have you switched to something like the "narrative-form" or some such?

The worst is when you bounce from one prof to another who have (and expect) different pronunciations. I have one prof who wants to use the (as best as he can tell) the ancient pronunciations, including the slight "g" sound in the ayin. And it is most definitely "w" for the waw. But I learned from the modern pronunciation and have had a few profs demand that. I wish you OT guys would make up your mind! ;-)
 

BayouHuguenot

Puritanboard Amanuensis
The emeritus professor at Cambridge, J.A. Emerton (born 1928) spoke of the "wow-consecutive" in my days there, however his younger counterparts (H.G.M. Williamson and R.P Gordon) called it a "vav consecutive". The w sound used to be conventional but has been overtaken by the v sound, in line with Modern Hebrew.
I've listened to several Jewish scholars read the Hebrew bible and they use vav. Miles van Pelt was my Hebrew prof, along with Currid. I am fairly certain both of those used "waw."

Still, vav is more euphonic and easier to read.
 

iainduguid

Puritan Board Sophomore
I wish I had been told to use that -- I about made a mess in my car practicing what I was told was "the sound of incipient vomiting".
Like most things in languages, it's a bit more complicated than that. 'ayin actually comes from two different letters with different sounds. One has something of a "g" to it, as may be seen by place names like Gaza and Gomorrah (both of which begin with an 'ayin). But the other was more silent. It's probably helpful to think of the silent sound as a glottal stop, like a Cockney's "bottle", in which the t's disappear into a silent pause.
 

py3ak

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That's a helpful comparison, Dr. Duguid, thank you. Is it possible to generalize and say that at the beginning of a word there should be a "g" tinge and within a word more of the glottal stop?
 

J.L. Allen

Puritan Board Freshman
I say vav. I also say Adonai when I come across YHWH. I’ve had two different Hebrew professors, Drs. James Coakley and Michael Wechsler (one used Pratico/Van Pelt and the other uses Ross). Both agree on these pronunciations, but they do differ on others.
 

iainduguid

Puritan Board Sophomore
That's a helpful comparison, Dr. Duguid, thank you. Is it possible to generalize and say that at the beginning of a word there should be a "g" tinge and within a word more of the glottal stop?
I defer to more expert grammarians than myself, but I don't think it's that straightforward. Not every name that begins with an 'ayin gets the "g" sound in the Septuagint - King Omri, for example.
 
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