Guess who said this about Christ's deity.

Discussion in 'Theological Forum' started by john_Mark, Jan 13, 2005.

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  1. john_Mark

    john_Mark Puritan Board Freshman

    "So that the orthodox view of the divinity of Christ is in my mind quite readily denied. The true significance of the divinity of Christ lies in the fact that his achievement is prophetic and promissory for every other true son of man who is willing to submit his will to the will and spirit og God. Christ was to be only the prototype of one among many brothers. "

    See if you can guess correctly, then click here for the answer.

    I wonder if this person held this position his whole life? Interesting.
     
  2. ReformedReidian

    ReformedReidian Puritan Board Doctor

    I am sure he held it his whole academic life. He was heavily influenced by Paul Tillich (cf. his dissertation) and was neo-orthodox to the core.
     
  3. Puritan Sailor

    Puritan Sailor Moderator

    Interesting. I knew he leaned liberal in some things. I didn't know he went that far.
     
  4. VirginiaHuguenot

    VirginiaHuguenot Puritanboard Librarian

    This documentation is very helpful when dealing with those who call him a Christian. I appreciate the tip; it will be useful in that regard.
     
  5. ReformedWretch

    ReformedWretch Puritan Board Doctor

    Wow!
     
  6. Irishcat922

    Irishcat922 Puritan Board Sophomore

    My Grandmother who was one of the saintliest women i have ever known, always refused to call him a Christian. I always wrote that off as her being from Atlanta.
     
  7. Charismatic Calvinist

    Charismatic Calvinist Puritan Board Freshman

    Oh this is easy...my Dad & step family are Mormons. Joseph Smith! Joseph Smith!
     
  8. Charismatic Calvinist

    Charismatic Calvinist Puritan Board Freshman

    :barfy:

    Disgusted & appalled...
     
  9. BlackCalvinist

    BlackCalvinist Puritan Board Senior

    Wow.

    Guess that confirms that. :( I knew he denied the literalness of Gen. 1-10....but I didn't know this.


    You'd think that if he DID change his mind, somewhere in his writings, he'd have a retractation.... ?
     
  10. Authorised

    Authorised Puritan Board Freshman

    The link isn't working, could someone U2U the answer?
     
  11. turmeric

    turmeric Megerator

    I knew it!
     
  12. Bladestunner316

    Bladestunner316 Puritan Board Doctor

    Well its a good thing I dont celebrate his day. Amazing how much we dont know in all the things americans me one of them take for granted. I would have never known this I only knew he was a baptist9which is bad enough) jk lol had to say it :)

    blade
     
  13. Ivan

    Ivan Pastor

    How timely! A good reminder that it's not wise to follow someone just because there is a day dedicated to him.

    King was extremely liberal. I don't know if I'd called him merely neo-orthodox. I respect the idea of equality, but there must be someone better to follow....hmmm...Jesus?....Paul?....
     
  14. openairboy

    openairboy Puritan Board Freshman

    Holy Cow! That is absolutely unbelievable! I guess it is no big deal that liberal revisionist seek to make him a non-Christian and turn him into an ideal humanist. He really was!

    I always heard he was a commie and wasn't real faithful to his wife, but this is a whole other realm

    "Who do you say I am?" I think it is safe to say that this was not revealed to him.

    openairboy
     
  15. ReformedReidian

    ReformedReidian Puritan Board Doctor

    Actually it is old news. We have ignored the elephant in the living room for a long time.
     
  16. Ivan

    Ivan Pastor

    Indeed old news. I read about all of this at least in the mid-80's. Haven't paid any attention to that day in January since.
     
  17. fredtgreco

    fredtgreco Vanilla Westminsterian Staff Member

    While I agree that this paper is theological liberal trash, it was written in 1950 when King was a student. Does anyone know of anything later that confirms this?
     
  18. LauridsenL

    LauridsenL Puritan Board Freshman

    And, sadly, many from that era who knew enough at least to say with their lips that Jesus is God also thought nothing of denying the right to vote, employment, or a decent school to people who happened to have a different color skin. I wonder how many of us grieve over the fact that so many professing believers engaged in blatant hatred, leaving it to the "liberal" church to work to end the injustice of segregation.
     
  19. Ranger

    Ranger Puritan Board Freshman

    "This divine quality or this unity with God was not something thrust upon Jesus from above, but it was a definite achievement through the process of moral struggle and self-abnegation."

    Now that's just plain scary theology.
     
  20. Puritan Sailor

    Puritan Sailor Moderator

    It was not just liberal churches. Conservative churches were there as well. Just because King was a liberal, doens't mean all the civil rights folk were liberals. There's alot of "unknown" people from that time, local leaders and laymen, who recognized the truth in Scripture that we are all one people descended from Adam and that Christ has no room for racism, who recieve no credit for their willingness to love those who hate them, and bless those who persecute them. That is one thing I do value of King. He preached that they are to win through loving their enemies, not through violence. You won't hear that from most "popular" civil rights leaders today.
     
  21. john_Mark

    john_Mark Puritan Board Freshman

    I wish I knew if he'd ever retracted or should I say repented of his above writings. I can't seem to find anything on the web in the quick searches I have had time to do. Maybe the problem is that many don't know his theology, don't care so there isn't much written about it either criticizing or showing a retraction.
     
  22. Puritan Sailor

    Puritan Sailor Moderator

    I've got a collection of his writings. I don't think there is a lot of theological writings though. It's more polemical and political speeches. I'll take a look tonight though and see.
     
  23. BlackCalvinist

    BlackCalvinist Puritan Board Senior

    :amen:

    Sometimes I question the authenticity of statements thrown by the side of the road which exalt Paul's theology in Romans, but ignore or only give lip-service to his theology in Philemon. The AME Church didn't develop because people had problems with Calvinism.....

    [Edited on 14-1-2005 by OS_X]
     
  24. ReformedReidian

    ReformedReidian Puritan Board Doctor

    As much as I hate neo-orthodoxy that much is true. I do give him credit on that.

    While that might be true it doesn't justify a denial of the Deity of Christ.
     
  25. PuritanCovenanter

    PuritanCovenanter Moderator Staff Member

    What Elephant?
     
  26. PuritanCovenanter

    PuritanCovenanter Moderator Staff Member

    I like the holiday. My kids and I get to play.
     
  27. openairboy

    openairboy Puritan Board Freshman

    Yes, denying someone the "right to vote" is hardly a damnable heresy, but a "right" of the American system. These Christians are readily frowned upon in the church and culturally. The PCA even had a statement on reconciliation and repentance, but no matter what is done people aren't willing to forgive. Will people ever forgive those sins? No, because they are necessary politically. I can only imagine what future generations will say about us, because of our blindness to cultural sins.

    openairboy

    [Edited on 14-1-2005 by openairboy]

    [Edited on 14-1-2005 by openairboy]
     
  28. LauridsenL

    LauridsenL Puritan Board Freshman

    I agree wholeheartedly. I wasn't defending his clear denial of the Deity of Christ, and hope that God later in life granted him repentance.
     
  29. LauridsenL

    LauridsenL Puritan Board Freshman

    That's certainly true. But not as true as it should've been.
     
  30. BlackCalvinist

    BlackCalvinist Puritan Board Senior

    Jacob - it's easy to say that "While that might be true it doesn't justify a denial of the Deity of Christ.", but fact is..... a group of 'so-called Christians' calling me 3/5 of a person, spitting on me, telling me I'm under the imaginary curse of Ham and other racist nonsense that ran under the guise of Christianity it's Christological orthodoxy is a lot more real at THAT particular time than some abstract concept of the Deity of Christ and whether or not I hold to it. And having never been on the side of the oppressed or the discriminated against, you can't identify with how deeply it touches and pains the souls of them who endure it. There are still people alive today who in the 1950's would've been told 'We don't allow <the N word> in our church' at the front door of a PCA church that solidly held to the WCF. And one simply 'racial reconciliation' speech or declaration doesn't make that go away when it's been the majority of your life. (thankfully, the PCA *is* doing something more now....)

    The late Walter Martin had a saying: "Cults are the unpaid bills of the church come due." Reformed theology has not been present for the most part in the African-American community due to the fact that most of the reformed folk either were indifferent to racism and discrimination and oppression or complicit in it. That's historical fact. Meanwhile, Arminian folk were more than happy to take in, defend and even to die for the freedom of African-Americans. Liberal denoms, with the whole 'social gospel' mentality, jumped even further ahead in the 30's, 40's and 50's and especially in the 60's.... and to the shame of most, did a better job of loving their brothers than their reformed counterparts did. And that 'realness' that's supposed to be the hallmark of true Christianity....came from a mixed and in some cases, heretical brand of Christianity... but it did its' job and drew more people in.....

    I'm not saying these things to criticize you (because I know we've had our disagreements in the past on here), but just to give you another perspective. I hope I come across humble and non-accusatory and if I don't, I apologize and ask you to forgive me in advance.

    :agree:

    [Edited on 14-1-2005 by OS_X]
     
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