Greek scholars: which pronunciation convention do you use?

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  1. Tim

    Tim Puritan Board Graduate

    I know it is of secondary importance, but what pronunciation convention do you use when reading the Koine Greek text out loud? How many conventions are there?

    I think it might be good to hear the words in your head when you read or study the Greek. This could be aided by reading out loud when you are learning.
  2. DMcFadden

    DMcFadden Puritanboard Commissioner

    Most people use the Erasmian. The so-called "modern" takes some getting used to (in my opinion).

    Erasmian Modern
    ai - aisle / ei - e in get
    ei - freight / ei - i in machine
    oi - oil / oi - i in machine
    ui - suite / ui - i in machine
    au - kraut / au - poverty or off
    eu - feud / eu - effort or ev in fever
    ou - food / ou - food
  3. CharlieJ

    CharlieJ Puritan Board Junior

    I'm currently using the Revised Imperial Koine by Randall Buth. It has the advantage of making sounds distinct that would have been distinct to a first century speaker, while being pronouncable to an English speaker and recognizable to a Greek speaker (Erasmian isn't).

    For an example of how the Revised is distinct, take Romans 5:1, in which there is a text variant. Some say εχομεν and some say εχωμεν. That's because they were both pronounced the same way in the Koine. Erasmian loses things like that by pairing vowel sounds that don't go together and separating ones that do.
  4. PointyHaired Calvinist

    PointyHaired Calvinist Puritan Board Sophomore

    I've done personal study of both modern Greek and Biblical Greek, and found this:
    1) Erasmian is easier to learn to study due to virtually no redundant letters and a seeming conformity to the Latin
    2) Modern pronunciation sounds a LOT nicer spoken (In my humble opinion) and is very close to Koine speech, if I understand it

    Doesn't Zodhiates use modern pronunciation in his lexicons? (He's from Greek Cyprus, so it would make sense.)
  5. Jimmy the Greek

    Jimmy the Greek Puritan Board Senior

    Go to this link and scroll down to the table showing four parallel pronunciation conventions. It has a fairly good representation.

    Greek Pronunciation
  6. GD

    GD Puritan Board Freshman

  7. LawrenceU

    LawrenceU Puritan Board Doctor

  8. Davidius

    Davidius Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    I can't say I know the difference. I just say what I was taught in Greek 101. :um:
  9. Tim

    Tim Puritan Board Graduate

    Thanks for the info, everyone!
  10. VanDood

    VanDood Puritan Board Freshman

    I use modern greek pronunciation... I was originally tutored in Koine greek by a pastor who is Greek, and I never could switch to Erasmian, it just sounds wrong.
  11. Brian Bosse

    Brian Bosse "The Brain"

    Modern Greek pronunciation. I highly recommend Dr. Spiros Zodhiates' recording...New Testament
  12. fredtgreco

    fredtgreco Vanilla Westminsterian Staff Member

    It is usually whatever you started with. I began (20+ years ago) with Erasmian, and can't stand modern. But then again, I hate ecclesiastical Latin pronunciation also! :)
  13. py3ak

    py3ak They're stalling and plotting against me Staff Member

    So do you pronounce Latin in a more Italian way?
  14. fredtgreco

    fredtgreco Vanilla Westminsterian Staff Member

    The biggest difference is in the "C"

    Cicero is pronounced "Kikero" not "Chichero."

    Caelum (sky) is "kailoom" not "chailum"
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