Good books to dispel Dispensational theology

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Matthew1344

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I have a buddy who has gone into hyper dispensationalism.

He now believes things like

1-Paul,Peter, and Jesus preached different gospels.

2-Paul was the first Christian in the church

3-God is not done with the nation of Israel and will one day rebuild the temple and Jesus will rule there.

4-water baptism is not part of the New covenant, but rather part of “Peters Gospel”

5-the new covenant is not currently in play. It is for Israel when they return to God.

6- Currently we are in the “church age”. This is an age where God is dealing with Jews and gentiles outside of any covenant. He is dealing with us by pure “grace”.

7-“church age” and “gentile inclusion” was never prophesied in Old Testament.

8-Neither was Jesus death being a good thing. Somehow he only sees Jesus death, when mentioned before Paul’s writings, as a bad thing. When Paul Receives the mystery of gentile inclusion, then Jesus’s death is finally seen as a good thing because gentiles can come in. But before that, there was never talk about his death being a blessing to the world.

all that to say that my buddy is basically on a different operating system than me. Sometimes it’s hard for me to compute what he is saying.

Do y’all have any good books that speak particularly against Hyper Dispensationalism?

thanks
 

De Jager

Puritan Board Sophomore

Let me also say that you should be in prayer for your friend. He is in serious, serious error.
 

retroGRAD3

Puritan Board Sophomore
This is pretty dire. I would say the Bible would be the best book but it looks like he thinks it contradicts itself and is no longer infallible. Sorry to hear this.
 

W.C. Dean

Puritan Board Sophomore
The belief in no water baptism is perplexing to me. Does he have any response to the numerous times Paul made mention of being baptized? I feel like these people bend themselves backwards to pull these ideas out of the texts.
 

jwithnell

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Your best approach here is to know what the Bible actually teaches and to draw attention to it. Likely a person who wants to persist in the teaching you've described will come out with a bizarre application of verses for any theological issue you raise. Speak the truth. Repeat, and find another way to say it from the scriptures.
 

Reformed Covenanter

Cancelled Commissioner
John Gerstner's Wrongly Dividing did deal with extreme Dispensationalism to some degree. Thankfully, most of our Dispensational brethren do not hold anything as wild as the doctrines maintained by your friend, though perhaps the extremists are the more consistent ones.
 

B.L.

Puritan Board Sophomore
I have a buddy who has gone into hyper dispensationalism.

I didn't know there was such a thing as hyper-dispensationalism like what your friend subscribes to -- wow!

Out of curiousity, can you ask your buddy who his favorite authors/theologians are? I'm curious where he's picked this stuff up from.
 

meanderingwanderer

Puritan Board Freshman
I’ve run into some of the Mid-Acts Dispensationalists/Grace Movement crowd before, and it sounds like your friend is on that path. I’m not sure of any books contra to the position. I know there are some vids online espousing the view.
 

timfost

Puritan Board Senior
Wow, where to start? I'm often struck by the passages where Christ says He will come as a thief in the night. If the necessity for many more dispensations after Christ said that, for what were Christians supposed to be watching? "One dispensation down, forty to go before I should be vigilant." This also goes for postmillennialism as well.
 

BayouHuguenot

Puritanboard Clerk
I have a buddy who has gone into hyper dispensationalism.

He now believes things like

1-Paul,Peter, and Jesus preached different gospels.

2-Paul was the first Christian in the church

3-God is not done with the nation of Israel and will one day rebuild the temple and Jesus will rule there.

4-water baptism is not part of the New covenant, but rather part of “Peters Gospel”

5-the new covenant is not currently in play. It is for Israel when they return to God.

6- Currently we are in the “church age”. This is an age where God is dealing with Jews and gentiles outside of any covenant. He is dealing with us by pure “grace”.

7-“church age” and “gentile inclusion” was never prophesied in Old Testament.

8-Neither was Jesus death being a good thing. Somehow he only sees Jesus death, when mentioned before Paul’s writings, as a bad thing. When Paul Receives the mystery of gentile inclusion, then Jesus’s death is finally seen as a good thing because gentiles can come in. But before that, there was never talk about his death being a blessing to the world.

all that to say that my buddy is basically on a different operating system than me. Sometimes it’s hard for me to compute what he is saying.

Do y’all have any good books that speak particularly against Hyper Dispensationalism?

thanks
3, 5, and 6 are classic Ryrie dispensatioanlism. I don't agree with them, but they aren't hyper (which is a heresy).
 

BayouHuguenot

Puritanboard Clerk
Wow, where to start? I'm often struck by the passages where Christ says He will come as a thief in the night. If the necessity for many more dispensations after Christ said that, for what were Christians supposed to be watching? "One dispensation down, forty to go before I should be vigilant." This also goes for postmillennialism as well.

To be fair, on their gloss we are living in the last dispensation before the rapture.
 

Andrew35

Puritan Board Sophomore
In my observation, hyper-dispensationalism is an unsavory little rest stop on the highway to apostasy. Hope that's not the case here.
 
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BayouHuguenot

Puritanboard Clerk
In any case, I myself don't believe in imminence. The man of lawlessness has to be revealed before Jesus removes us (2 Thess. 2:3). That is in direct counter to dispensationalists, who believe it could be any moment.
 
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