The Joyful Curmudgeon
I think I have tried to answer that in the long distant past Jacob. I don't think so. Yes, I see major issues when it comes to implementation in this debased environment but it is our fault. SMH, we have problems even deciding which Confessional Standard we choose along with revisions. I am reminded of the Article 36 issue. Even Strimple disagrees with Clark on Chapter 19. Not so sure how reliable of a Reformed Guide we have in Clark. As a plus, at least Robert believes and defends the Pre-lapsarian Covenant.I'm generally okay with that. My question, and this might be for another thread, is will be prosecute Lutherans and Baptists? I haven't gotten a straight answer in the past. Our Reformed forebears did have a very specific answer (yes) to that question.
How does the following Confessional point factor in? Is this a Confessional issue? How does the RPW factor in? How does Clark intend to hand the sword back to the Civil Government concerning Homosexuality?
Clark is about as Reformed as Johannes Cocceius. Ursinus and Cocceius have little in Common when it comes to Covenant Theology in the Reformed Tradition. As has been noted before, Clark held to Dichotomous views as opposed to distinctions between Grace and Law. I am not sure where he ended up after the OPC Study but...
How does Robert say he would implement the Confessional Standards when he has no basis for implementing the Law in the Civil Government? How would he confessionally address gross violations and perversions of the second table of the Decalogue and Civil responsibility?
WCF Chapter Twenty
1. The liberty which Christ hath purchased for believers under the gospel consists in their freedom from the guilt of sin, the condemning wrath of God, the curse of the moral law; a and in their being delivered from this present evil world, bondage to Satan, and dominion of sin, b from the evil of afflictions, the sting of death, the victory of the grave, and everlasting damnation; c as also in their free access to God, d and their yielding obedience unto him, not out of slavish fear, but a child-like love and willing mind .e All which were common also to believers under the law; f but under the New Testament the liberty of Christians is further enlarged in their freedom from the yoke of the ceremonial law, to which the Jewish Church was subjected; g and in greater boldness of access to the throne of grace, h and in fuller communications of the free Spirit of God, than believers under the law did ordinarily partake of. i
a. Gal 3:13; 1 Thes 1:10; Titus 2:14. • b. Acts 26:18; Rom 6:14; Gal 1:4; Col 1:13. • c. Psa 119:71; Rom 8:1, 28; 1 Cor 15:54-57. • d. Rom 5:1-2. • e. Rom 8:14-15; 1 John 4:18. • f. Gal 3:9, 14. • g. Acts 15:10-11; Gal 4:1-3, 6-7; 5:1. • h. Heb 4:14, 16; 10:19-22. • i. John 7:38-39; 2 Cor 3:13, 17-18.
2. God alone is Lord of the conscience, a and hath left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men which are in anything contrary to his Word, or beside it, in matters of faith or worship. b So that to believe such doctrines, or to obey such commands out of conscience, is to betray true liberty of conscience; c and the requiring of an implicit faith, and an absolute and blind obedience, is to destroy liberty of conscience, and reason also. d
a. Rom 14:4; James 4:12. • b. Mat 15:9; 23:8-10; Acts 4:19; 5:29; 1 Cor 7:23; 2 Cor 1:24. • c. Psa 5:1; Gal 1:10; 2:4-5; 5:1; Col 2:20-23. • d. Isa 8:20; Jer 8:9; Hosea 5:11; John 4:22; Acts 17:11; Rom 10:17; 14:23; Rev 13:12, 16-17.
3. They who, upon pretense of Christian liberty, do practice any sin, or cherish any lust, do thereby destroy the end of Christian liberty; which is, that, being delivered out of the hands of our enemies, we might serve the Lord without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life. a
a. Luke 1:74-75; John 8:34; Gal 5:13; 1 Pet 2:16; 2 Pet 2:19.
4. And because the power which God hath ordained, and the liberty which Christ hath purchased, are not intended by God to destroy, but mutually to uphold and preserve one another; they who, upon pretense of Christian liberty, shall oppose any lawful power, or the lawful exercise of it, whether it be civil or ecclesiastical, resist the ordinance of God. a And for their publishing of such opinions, or maintaining of such practices, as are contrary to the light of nature, or to the known principles of Christianity, whether concerning faith, worship, or conversation; or to the power of godliness; or such erroneous opinions or practices as, either in their own nature, or in the manner of publishing or maintaining them, are destructive to the external peace and order which Christ hath established in the Church; they may lawfully be called to account, b and proceeded against by the censures of the Church, and by the power of the Civil Magistrate. c
a. Mat 12:25; Rom 13:1-8; Heb 13:17; 1 Pet 2:13-14, 16. • b. Rom 1:32 with 1 Cor 5:1, 5, 11, 13; 2 John 1:10-11 and 2 Thes 3:14 and 1 Tim 6:3-5 and Titus 1:10-11, 13 and Titus 3:10 with Mat 18:15-17; 1 Tim 1:19-20; Rev 2:2, 14-15, 20; 3:9. • c. Deut 13:6-12; 2 Kings 23:5-6, 9, 20-21; 2 Chron 15:12-13, 16; 34:33; Neh 13:15, 17, 21-22, 25, 30; Isa 49:23; Dan 3:29; Zec 13:2-3; Rom 13:3-4 with 2 John 1:10-11; 1 Tim 2:2; Rev 17:12, 16-17.
We are not where we want to be but who knows where we will end up?
Well, we have devolved into the Polarizing Westminster West problem. Time for a new thread maybe?