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George Ladd / Historic Premil

Discussion in 'Revelation & Eschatology' started by Scott, Mar 12, 2007.

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  1. Scott

    Scott Puritan Board Graduate

    Are historic premils historicists? What about George Eldon Ladd? I had thought that they were historicists, but from looking over some historic premil resources, it looks to me like they are not. "Historic" in the title evidently does not refer to historicism, but rather to a form of premillenialism older than dispensational premillenialism. Is that right?
     
  2. KMK

    KMK Moderator Staff Member

    I believe you are correct in that the term 'historic' is used by those who are premil but want to distinguish themselves from dispensationalism.
     
  3. AV1611

    AV1611 Puritan Board Senior

    Do not confuse historicism with historic premillennialism. The former is an interpretive eapproach to revelation which seeks to understand revelation as seen in history (as distinct from preterism, idealism and futurism) whilst the latter is a way of differentiating dispensational premillennialism from a form of premillennialism heldby non-dispensationalists such as Spurgeon, Gill (who was also an historicist), Toplady, Ladd (who is a futurist), Justin Martyr and some of the Early Church fathers.

    (http://www.apocalipsis.org/rev-int.htm#schools)
     
  4. Scott

    Scott Puritan Board Graduate

    Thanks, Richard. That is what I needed. I found this online work by Ladd, in which he says this about historicism:
    As you said, he was clearly not a historicist and he later goes on in the same work to describe why futurism is the view he thinks is best.
     
  5. KMK

    KMK Moderator Staff Member

    Uh-oh... This could be a :worms:
     
  6. Scott

    Scott Puritan Board Graduate

    For what it's worth, I am not saying that about historicism. I was just wondering what Ladd and Historic Premils were (not that I approve of their views).
     
  7. AV1611

    AV1611 Puritan Board Senior

    I had to recall where I went for info when I was a Plymouth Brethrener so here are some more which you may find helpful.

    I personally remain neutral on the Millennium at the moment. I would affirm a partial-preterist eschaology.

    Historic Pre-Millennialism: http://www.gospelpedlar.com/articles/Last Things/hispremil.html

    The Last Things: http://www.gospelpedlar.com/articles/Last Things/eschat_ladd.html

    Historicist:
    http://www.historicist.com/
    http://www.historicism.com/
     
  8. Andrew P.C.

    Andrew P.C. Puritan Board Junior

    "Historic premillennialism draws its name from the fact that many of the early Church Fathers (i.e. Ireneaus [140-203], who as a disciple of Polycarp, who had been an disciple of the apostle of John, Justin Martyr [100-165], and Papias [80-155]), apparently believed and taught that there would be a visible kingdom of God upon the earth, after the return of Christ. "

    http://www.reformedreader.org/mchart.htm
     
  9. G.Wetmore

    G.Wetmore Puritan Board Freshman

    one of the inherent problems with the historicist position is that every so often the whole system has to be reworked to account for new "history." Every age of historicists finds themselves living at the end of revelation, so that is why a historicism today looks different than it did 200 years ago, because now all of a sudden you have 200 more years that you have to fit into the system, so the whole system has to be reworked. In 200 years from now, the position will have to be reworked again. so on and so on.
     
  10. javajedi

    javajedi Puritan Board Freshman

    I do not want to hi-jack this thread but are there any prominent people that hold to Historicism today?

    I does seem like a very untenable position.
     
  11. Blueridge Believer

    Blueridge Believer Puritan Board Professor

    I have ladd's book "the blessed hope" and have never read it. I may try to read it this weekend.
     
  12. AV1611

    AV1611 Puritan Board Senior

    It is OK but nothing special.
     
  13. Blueridge Believer

    Blueridge Believer Puritan Board Professor


    it is premill afterall.;)
     
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