Easter...?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Yes, EVERY Lords day should be used to celebrate Christs resurrection ect, but not every Sunday is specifically focused on that is it?

Joshua, if a church proclaims the gospel faithfully then the resurrection is emphasized each and every Lord's Day. All preaching should be Christ-centered preaching. All Christ-centered preaching is rooted in the hope of the resurrection. It doesn't matter whether the topic of the sermon is resurrection related or not; the very fact that Christians gather on the Lord's Day is because of the resurrection.
 
in my opinion, there's something not quite right about refusing in one's own heart to acknowledge the specialness of the historic day that the Resurrection actually happened.

Since that day always falls on a Sunday, is that Sunday (the Lord's Day) more special than the other fifty one throughout the year? That's really the question.

I would say there is a sense in which, yes, it is more special. We do not worship on Sundays because the Lord resurrected over the course of a several Sundays scattered throughout the year, but because he rose on a particular Sunday in history. This naturally makes it stand out to our minds, and to the memory of Christians. It works the same as anniversaries, birthdays, Independence Day. To eliminate the recognition and celebration of these days is to remove the memory from time and space and focus only on the ethereal. almost 'docetic' (?)

---------- Post added at 11:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:17 AM ----------

as an addendum, this doesn't mean that a service need be totally transformed such that it violates the conscience, but a recognition during the service and a hearty greeting among the brethren. Does this violate the RPW?
 
I would say there is a sense in which, yes, it is more special.

Dennis, it either is or it isn't more special. It's not in a sense more special. If you believe it's more special where do you find scriptural warrant?
 
I would say there is a sense in which, yes, it is more special.

Dennis, it either is or it isn't more special. It's not in a sense more special. If you believe it's more special where do you find scriptural warrant?

There is none for Easter, per se. One might be able to cite the examples of feasts days in the Old Testament that God commanded Israel to observe. These were very specific days. The principle here is that it is a memorial to special events that happened in history. It seemed important to God that the people take special note of history and remind themselves of their place within it. This was an apologetic against the myths and fables that abounded in the surrounding cultures. There are many things done in a worship service with no scriptural warrant, but done according to general revelation? the order of worship, for example. In the same way, I don't think the RPW was meant to keep us from being human. It is natural to commemorate days of special significance, and this is found in all cultures, suggesting that it's in-built in us.
 
This from www.scionofzion.com/kjv_1611_yahoo.htm:


Acts 12:4
(KJV) And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
(1611 KJV) And when hee had apprehended him, hee put him in prison, and deliuered him to foure quaternions of souldiers to keepe him, intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
(1568 Bishops Bible) And when he had caught hym, he put hym in pryson also, and delyuered hym to foure quaternions of souldiers to be kept, intendyng after Easter to bryng hym foorth to the people.
(1535 Matthews) And when he had caught him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to be kept, intending after ester to bring him forth to the people.
(1526 Tyndale) And when he had caught him he put him in preson and delyvered him to .iiii. quaternios of soudiers to be kepte entendynge after ester to brynge him forth to the peopl



(1881 RV) And when he had taken him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to guard him; intending after the Passover to bring him forth to the people.
(1901 ASV) And when he had taken him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to guard him; intending after the Passover to bring him forth to the people.
(2011 NIV) After arresting him, he put him in prison, handing him over to be guarded by four squads of four soldiers each. Herod intended to bring him out for public trial after the Passover.
(NASV) When he had seized him, he put him in prison, delivering him to four squads of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to bring him out before the people.
(THE MESSAGE) and had him thrown in jail, putting four squads of four soldiers each to guard him. He was planning a public lynching after Passover.
(AMP) And when he had seized [Peter], he put him in prison and delivered him to four squads of soldiers of four each to guard him, purposing after the Passover to bring him forth to the people.
(NLT) Then he imprisoned him, placing him under the guard of four squads of four soldiers each. Herod intended to bring Peter out for public trial after the Passover.
(ESV) And when he had seized him, he put him in prison, delivering him over to four squads of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to bring him out to the people.
(NKJV) So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.
(NCV) After Herod arrested Peter, he put him in jail and handed him over to be guarded by sixteen soldiers. Herod planned to bring Peter before the people for trial after the Passover Feast.
(CEB) He put Peter in prison, handing him over to four squads of soldiers, sixteen in all, who guarded him. He planned to charge him publicly after the Passover.
(HCSB) After the arrest, he put him in prison and assigned four squads of four soldiers each to guard him, intending to bring him out to the people after the Passover.
(NIRV) After Herod arrested Peter, he put him in prison. Peter was placed under guard. He was watched by four groups of four soldiers each. Herod planned to put Peter on public trial. It would take place after the Passover Feast.
(RSV) And when he had seized him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to bring him out to the people.
(NAB-Roman Catholic) He had him taken into custody and put in prison under the guard of four squads of four soldiers each. He intended to bring him before the people after Passover.
(NWT-Jehovah’s Witnesses) And laying hold of him, he put him in prison, turning him over to four shifts of four soldiers each to guard him, as he intended to produce him for the people after the passover.

Textus Receptus - Traditional Text
ον και πιασας εθετο εις φυλακην παραδους τεσσαρσιν τετραδιοις στρατιωτων φυλασσειν αυτον βουλομενος μετα το πασχα αναγαγειν αυτον τω λαω

Hort-Westcott - Critical Text
ον και πιασας εθετο εις φυλακην παραδους τεσσαρσιν τετραδιοις στρατιωτων φυλασσειν αυτον βουλομενος μετα το πασχα αναγαγειν αυτον τω λαω

One of the accusations which is leveled at the King James Bible is the translation of the word “pascha” as “Easter.” The word “pascha” is not a Greek word but is from the Aramaic “pascha.” The Herod in view here was Herod Antipas who was a son of Herod the Great and who was grandson of Antipater I who was Idumaean which was Edomite. This means that Herod Antipas was not a Jew but an Edomite. The Edomites were descendants of Esau.

(Gen 25:30 KJV) And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.

(Gen 36:1 KJV) Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom.

Therefore the Herod Dynasty was not in the line of Jacob. It was the king of Edom who did not allow Israel to pass through their land when they came out of the Land of Egypt. (Num 20:21 KJV) Thus Edom refused to give Israel passage through his border: wherefore Israel turned away from him.

Archaeology has dug up many clay figures in the area known as Edom. The main gods of the Edomites were the fertility gods of the region. According to Assyrian secular records, it is known that Edom had one national god named “Qos,” however they were hardly monotheistic in that they had other gods. (2 Chr 25:14 KJV) Now it came to pass, after that Amaziah was come from the slaughter of the Edomites, that he brought the gods of the children of Seir, and set them up to be his gods, and bowed down himself before them, and burned incense unto them. If you notice this verse speaks about gods in the plural. There was also evidence of Baal worship. The Bible does not mention any specific gods which the Edomites worshipped. In fact, in the early years they had worshipped Jehovah but after they refused passage to Israel, they started to descend into idolatry. Since they had taken up the local gods of the area, Astarte, would have been one of the gods of the area. Normally wherever Baal was Astarte was also found. Astarte was a deity of fertility. Astarte was known as Aphrodite to the Greeks. Astarate was also known as “Ishtar” which was the goddess of fertility.

These false gods can be found in basically all of these ancient pagan civilizations. So the region of Edom, which was south of Israel, would not have been a stranger to them. These false gods even crept into both Israel and Judah. (Jer 7:18 KJV) The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger. The queen of Heaven was also known as Ishtar the fertility goddess. In our day, we are seeing a resurgence of goddess worship.

Now back to Herod’s declaration about Peter. Herod was going to wait until after Easter to bring Peter out to the people and no doubt they would have pronounced the same sentence as the Lord Jesus Christ received. Now, there seems to be a difficulty because the word “pascha” should be translated “Passover.” Correct? Absolutely not. We owe a great debt to William Tyndale who translated this verse correctly.

(1526 Tyndale) And when he had caught him he put him in preson and delyvered him to .iiii. quaternios of soudiers to be kepte entendynge after ester to brynge him forth to the people.

The reason that Tyndale had translated “pascha” as Easter in this verse was a question of timing.


(Num 28:16-17 KJV) And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD. {17} And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.

(Mark 14:12 KJV) And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

As we can see that the Passover came first and was followed by the Feast of Unleavened Bread. So if we look at Acts 12:3, we see a very important phrase.

(Acts 12:3 KJV) And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)

Notice very carefully what it says in the last phrase. It states that these were the days of Unleavened Bread. The Passover was already complete. So therefore, in verse four, it would not make sense if Herod was going to bring Peter out after Passover when the Passover was already over but Peter was still in prison. Since the days of unleavened bread was a feast lasting seven days, we are not told what day this was. It could have been day 6 where Peter was still in prison.

Now enter the word “Easter.” Immediately Christians think of the day the Lord Jesus Christ rose from the dead. However, the word “Easter” is a very pagan name. It is derived from “Eostra” which is a pagan festival of Spring. The Bible nowhere commands Christians to celebrate the resurrection or birth of Christ. So when Christianity was turned into a religion by the third century, these pagan holidays were incorporated in the church calendar year but with Christian meanings. For example, Christmas was really the feast of Saturnalia but the church wanted to cover this pagan festival and therefore instituted Christmas as Christ’s birth being on December 25.


Herod being an Edomite and a pagan would not care the least about what festival was taking place. After all, they crucified the Lord Jesus Christ on the preparation day for the High Sabbath and Passover. Why would a pagan king concern himself with the holidays of the Jews? He could have had Peter executed any time he wanted to and during any holiday in the Jewish calendar.

Since Herod was a pagan, he would have been celebrating a feast of Ishtar, the fertility god. This was his “Easter” as he would have been too busy celebrating Ishtar under the name Easter, that he would wait until after his pagan festival was over and then he would get back to his duties and have Peter executed. Easter was a pagan spring festival which occurred simultaneously with Passover and therefore “Easter” is the proper word for Acts 12:4 and not Passover. So the “Easter” in Acts 12:4 is not the Christian “Easter” but it is the pagan Easter.

KJV 1611 Yahoo Group Posts
 
I couldn't have said it better myself!


This from www.scionofzion.com/kjv_1611_yahoo.htm:


Acts 12:4
(KJV) And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
(1611 KJV) And when hee had apprehended him, hee put him in prison, and deliuered him to foure quaternions of souldiers to keepe him, intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
(1568 Bishops Bible) And when he had caught hym, he put hym in pryson also, and delyuered hym to foure quaternions of souldiers to be kept, intendyng after Easter to bryng hym foorth to the people.
(1535 Matthews) And when he had caught him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to be kept, intending after ester to bring him forth to the people.
(1526 Tyndale) And when he had caught him he put him in preson and delyvered him to .iiii. quaternios of soudiers to be kepte entendynge after ester to brynge him forth to the peopl



(1881 RV) And when he had taken him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to guard him; intending after the Passover to bring him forth to the people.
(1901 ASV) And when he had taken him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to guard him; intending after the Passover to bring him forth to the people.
(2011 NIV) After arresting him, he put him in prison, handing him over to be guarded by four squads of four soldiers each. Herod intended to bring him out for public trial after the Passover.
(NASV) When he had seized him, he put him in prison, delivering him to four squads of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to bring him out before the people.
(THE MESSAGE) and had him thrown in jail, putting four squads of four soldiers each to guard him. He was planning a public lynching after Passover.
(AMP) And when he had seized [Peter], he put him in prison and delivered him to four squads of soldiers of four each to guard him, purposing after the Passover to bring him forth to the people.
(NLT) Then he imprisoned him, placing him under the guard of four squads of four soldiers each. Herod intended to bring Peter out for public trial after the Passover.
(ESV) And when he had seized him, he put him in prison, delivering him over to four squads of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to bring him out to the people.
(NKJV) So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.
(NCV) After Herod arrested Peter, he put him in jail and handed him over to be guarded by sixteen soldiers. Herod planned to bring Peter before the people for trial after the Passover Feast.
(CEB) He put Peter in prison, handing him over to four squads of soldiers, sixteen in all, who guarded him. He planned to charge him publicly after the Passover.
(HCSB) After the arrest, he put him in prison and assigned four squads of four soldiers each to guard him, intending to bring him out to the people after the Passover.
(NIRV) After Herod arrested Peter, he put him in prison. Peter was placed under guard. He was watched by four groups of four soldiers each. Herod planned to put Peter on public trial. It would take place after the Passover Feast.
(RSV) And when he had seized him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to bring him out to the people.
(NAB-Roman Catholic) He had him taken into custody and put in prison under the guard of four squads of four soldiers each. He intended to bring him before the people after Passover.
(NWT-Jehovah’s Witnesses) And laying hold of him, he put him in prison, turning him over to four shifts of four soldiers each to guard him, as he intended to produce him for the people after the passover.

Textus Receptus - Traditional Text
ον και πιασας εθετο εις φυλακην παραδους τεσσαρσιν τετραδιοις στρατιωτων φυλασσειν αυτον βουλομενος μετα το πασχα αναγαγειν αυτον τω λαω

Hort-Westcott - Critical Text
ον και πιασας εθετο εις φυλακην παραδους τεσσαρσιν τετραδιοις στρατιωτων φυλασσειν αυτον βουλομενος μετα το πασχα αναγαγειν αυτον τω λαω

One of the accusations which is leveled at the King James Bible is the translation of the word “pascha” as “Easter.” The word “pascha” is not a Greek word but is from the Aramaic “pascha.” The Herod in view here was Herod Antipas who was a son of Herod the Great and who was grandson of Antipater I who was Idumaean which was Edomite. This means that Herod Antipas was not a Jew but an Edomite. The Edomites were descendants of Esau.

(Gen 25:30 KJV) And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.

(Gen 36:1 KJV) Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom.

Therefore the Herod Dynasty was not in the line of Jacob. It was the king of Edom who did not allow Israel to pass through their land when they came out of the Land of Egypt. (Num 20:21 KJV) Thus Edom refused to give Israel passage through his border: wherefore Israel turned away from him.

Archaeology has dug up many clay figures in the area known as Edom. The main gods of the Edomites were the fertility gods of the region. According to Assyrian secular records, it is known that Edom had one national god named “Qos,” however they were hardly monotheistic in that they had other gods. (2 Chr 25:14 KJV) Now it came to pass, after that Amaziah was come from the slaughter of the Edomites, that he brought the gods of the children of Seir, and set them up to be his gods, and bowed down himself before them, and burned incense unto them. If you notice this verse speaks about gods in the plural. There was also evidence of Baal worship. The Bible does not mention any specific gods which the Edomites worshipped. In fact, in the early years they had worshipped Jehovah but after they refused passage to Israel, they started to descend into idolatry. Since they had taken up the local gods of the area, Astarte, would have been one of the gods of the area. Normally wherever Baal was Astarte was also found. Astarte was a deity of fertility. Astarte was known as Aphrodite to the Greeks. Astarate was also known as “Ishtar” which was the goddess of fertility.

These false gods can be found in basically all of these ancient pagan civilizations. So the region of Edom, which was south of Israel, would not have been a stranger to them. These false gods even crept into both Israel and Judah. (Jer 7:18 KJV) The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger. The queen of Heaven was also known as Ishtar the fertility goddess. In our day, we are seeing a resurgence of goddess worship.

Now back to Herod’s declaration about Peter. Herod was going to wait until after Easter to bring Peter out to the people and no doubt they would have pronounced the same sentence as the Lord Jesus Christ received. Now, there seems to be a difficulty because the word “pascha” should be translated “Passover.” Correct? Absolutely not. We owe a great debt to William Tyndale who translated this verse correctly.

(1526 Tyndale) And when he had caught him he put him in preson and delyvered him to .iiii. quaternios of soudiers to be kepte entendynge after ester to brynge him forth to the people.

The reason that Tyndale had translated “pascha” as Easter in this verse was a question of timing.


(Num 28:16-17 KJV) And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD. {17} And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.

(Mark 14:12 KJV) And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

As we can see that the Passover came first and was followed by the Feast of Unleavened Bread. So if we look at Acts 12:3, we see a very important phrase.

(Acts 12:3 KJV) And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)

Notice very carefully what it says in the last phrase. It states that these were the days of Unleavened Bread. The Passover was already complete. So therefore, in verse four, it would not make sense if Herod was going to bring Peter out after Passover when the Passover was already over but Peter was still in prison. Since the days of unleavened bread was a feast lasting seven days, we are not told what day this was. It could have been day 6 where Peter was still in prison.

Now enter the word “Easter.” Immediately Christians think of the day the Lord Jesus Christ rose from the dead. However, the word “Easter” is a very pagan name. It is derived from “Eostra” which is a pagan festival of Spring. The Bible nowhere commands Christians to celebrate the resurrection or birth of Christ. So when Christianity was turned into a religion by the third century, these pagan holidays were incorporated in the church calendar year but with Christian meanings. For example, Christmas was really the feast of Saturnalia but the church wanted to cover this pagan festival and therefore instituted Christmas as Christ’s birth being on December 25.


Herod being an Edomite and a pagan would not care the least about what festival was taking place. After all, they crucified the Lord Jesus Christ on the preparation day for the High Sabbath and Passover. Why would a pagan king concern himself with the holidays of the Jews? He could have had Peter executed any time he wanted to and during any holiday in the Jewish calendar.

Since Herod was a pagan, he would have been celebrating a feast of Ishtar, the fertility god. This was his “Easter” as he would have been too busy celebrating Ishtar under the name Easter, that he would wait until after his pagan festival was over and then he would get back to his duties and have Peter executed. Easter was a pagan spring festival which occurred simultaneously with Passover and therefore “Easter” is the proper word for Acts 12:4 and not Passover. So the “Easter” in Acts 12:4 is not the Christian “Easter” but it is the pagan Easter.

KJV 1611 Yahoo Group Posts



Sent from my Droid using Tapatalk
 
A repeated argument I hear from the anti-Easters is "But we celebrate Christ's resurrection EVERY Lord's Day".

Yes, I know. So do we.

Just because I celebrate Easter does not mean I treasure the other 51 Lord's Days in the year less than anyone else. It's a weak argument.

I celebrate Easter, but no, I don't believe it is a "Holy Day" or a day more special in God's sight. However, I do appreciate that my church makes certain to have the resurrection specifically at the forefront of our worship service on this day. It shows itself in our hymns, Scripture readings, and sermon.

I realize this bothers many of you, but tough. Scripture and the RPW does not forbid us to focus on a specific theme on a specific Lord's Day, nor does it forbid us from using something culturally relevant to direct us towards that specific theme. The same goes for Christmas.
 
This is the Puritan Board; be respectful of the doctrinal standards governing it. This includes the historical-confessional position against holy days. If you find that bothers you; tough.:judge:
For those wishing to answer some of the challenges on this thread to the confessional Presbyterian position on holy days, do so on a different or new thread as this has strayed off the opening post. That said, I believe this thread is done.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top