Do you prefer hymns over psalms?

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Tom Hart

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And Tom, whose blog is that? An exclusive psalmody guy (RP?) somewhere in Korea? Or maybe somewhere else, just with a Korean blog...
The blog apparently by a Korean pastor (I think) named Yang Nam-sik (양남식), but he goes by Caleb Yang. It's not clear from his website where he's located, but he seems to be in the US. He appears to be connected to the RPCNA, and he appears to be EP.

I found a little more here. I'm sharing it for any other readers located in Korea.
https://gohchangwon.tistory.com/m/770

I must thank you for finding this. I might get in touch with him by e-mail.
 

Poimen

Puritan Board Post-Graduate
The blog apparently by a Korean pastor (I think) named Yang Nam-sik (양남식), but he goes by Caleb Yang. It's not clear from his website where he's located, but he seems to be in the US. He appears to be connected to the RPCNA, and he appears to be EP.

I found a little more here. I'm sharing it for any other readers located in Korea.
https://gohchangwon.tistory.com/m/770

I must thank you for finding this. I might get in touch with him by e-mail.
I think it might be Namsik Yang, co-pastor of the Los Angeles RPCNA: http://rpcla.org/about/leadership
 

RPEphesian

Puritan Board Junior
The blog apparently by a Korean pastor (I think) named Yang Nam-sik (양남식), but he goes by Caleb Yang. It's not clear from his website where he's located, but he seems to be in the US. He appears to be connected to the RPCNA, and he appears to be EP.

I found a little more here. I'm sharing it for any other readers located in Korea.
https://gohchangwon.tistory.com/m/770

I must thank you for finding this. I might get in touch with him by e-mail.
He is in Grand Rapids, attending with us because of a need to be in Michigan. His younger son was born with severe heart defects and has constant need of medical attention. So do remember him in prayer. A dear brother and family!
 

Ed Walsh

Puritan Board Junior
One thing here does rather surprise me, however, and I've not discussed it here (though I have elsewhere). Jesus Christ appears in the OT exclusively in typical form (WCF 7.5) and only "under the gospel" is Christ "held forth in more fullness, evidence, and spiritual efficacy" (WCF 7.6). Expressions of several in this discussion, if I read them rightly, have tended to downplay this and speak as if reference to our Lord in His Incarnation is as explicit in OT times as NT.

If I've read this rightly, this is a misguided approach to redemptive history and biblical theology. Is Christ in the Psalms? Of course, and we rejoice in that! Bryan Estelle, our Hebraist for the TPH, is revising an essay on that to be published on our website (in progress). But to speak as if our Lord Jesus Christ is revealed in the OT with the explicitness that belongs only to the anti-type in the NT is not correct and threatens to "level out" all of redemptive history and take away the vital development that we see therein (and in which we glory!).
Hi Alan,

These two paragraphs helped remind me of the type - antitype nature of the Old and New Testament. It's made me rethink why I have leaned so strongly EP, but have never been 100% convinced. I think a large part of my aversion to the hymns I've been exposed to over the years is there often shoddy theology, narrowness of topic, always avoiding all things negative. They remind me of the Trinity's hymnal's Salter selection, which includes the first part of Psalm 89, but not the second part, from verse 38 on, that communicates the meaning of the Psalm. I wrote in an earlier post quotes from James Durham on writing theological material and applied it to hymns stating that their theology must be accurate and that they should be written by people called and recognized by the Church to have gifts in this area. That certainly was the case in the Old Testament in that the singers and musicians were ordained and David had a particular calling of God as the sweet psalmist of Israel.

For example, I find many of the so-called Christmas hymns to be of inferior quality. Filled with historical fictions inaccuracies; things we would never allow being said from the pulpit. Take one of the favorites; O come O come Emmanuel. Just imagine for a minute your pastor, with no advance notice, coming up to the pulpit on Lord's Day morning and opening in Prayer by saying "O come, O come, Emmanuel, and ransom captive Israel, That mourns in lonely exile here. When will You deliver us from Satan's tyranny & the depths of hell?" What in the world would we think? Why do we give such broad latitude to hymns that we would never give to preaching or teaching? Can you imagine with me the hundreds of perfectly wonderful and theologically accurate hymns that could be written based on, let's say, the first eight chapters of Romans.
 

Tom Hart

Puritan Board Senior
He is in Grand Rapids, attending with us because of a need to be in Michigan. His younger son was born with severe heart defects and has constant need of medical attention. So do remember him in prayer. A dear brother and family!
Thanks for this. I will pray.
 

RPEphesian

Puritan Board Junior
Thank you all for your prayers for him.

Namsik is a teaching elder in the RPCNA, so he is EP.

The book he translated doesn't attempt an EP polemic, but its intention is to bring out the spiritual dynamics and benefits of singing the psalms. Fantastic read, especially on "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly", from what I remember, but I don't have a copy with me to recover the points her made. If anyone wants a polemical work, Songs of Zion by Bushnell is probably the most prominent and thorough(?). I haven't read it yet, just sections.

We seemed to have calmed down in the thread, but we still keep going...

1,000 posts or bust, right?
 

Jeri Tanner

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Thank you all for your prayers for him.

Namsik is a teaching elder in the RPCNA, so he is EP.

The book he translated doesn't attempt an EP polemic, but its intention is to bring out the spiritual dynamics and benefits of singing the psalms. Fantastic read, especially on "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly", from what I remember, but I don't have a copy with me to recover the points her made. If anyone wants a polemical work, Songs of Zion by Bushnell is probably the most prominent and thorough(?). I haven't read it yet, just sections.

We seemed to have calmed down in the thread, but we still keep going...

1,000 posts or bust, right?
A social experiment to see if I can have the last word. :)
Edit: I deleted my last post. It was well meant but this thread ended on a sweet note and should stay that way!
 
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PuritanCovenanter

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Sorry I am entering this late. I am not as active on the Puritanboard as I use to be. But there are a few things I would direct you to that helped me understand some of the discussion better and with more clarity on specifics. I am EP but love the Hymns. I was a Reformed Baptist who was discipled by a Covenanter in the late 80's. It took me a long time to grow in knowledge concerning a lot of issues. Worship being one that I struggled with.

Years ago I listened to a Podcast called Covenant Radio hosted by William F. Hill. His guest was Dr. Richard Bacon. It was kind of long but it convinced me of a few issues concerning the classifications of Psalms, Hymns, and Spiritual Songs. I found it very Edifying as someone who who had heard some of the arguments but was not EP. I recommend it to you as something you will enjoy and learn from. William graciously gave me the Podcast to post on You Tube and Venmo. I also posted it to my blog.

Music and the Worship of God
https://rpcnacovenanter.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/music-and-the-worship-of-god/


One of my Elders and now retired Professor from Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary wrote a very good book titled Public Worship 101. He allowed me to post some portions of the book on my blog. I hope you enjoy them. I appreciated his approach because it is not written in an in your face attitude.

WHY REGULATE TEACHING, PRAYING, AND SINGING DIFFERENTLY?
https://rpcnacovenanter.wordpress.c...ate-teaching-praying-and-singing-differently/


OBJECTIONS TO EXCLUSIVE PSALMODY pt 2 Sing a New Song
https://rpcnacovenanter.wordpress.c...s-to-exclusive-psalmody-pt-2-sing-a-new-song/


Objections to Psalmody pt 3 Psalmody is Typology?
https://rpcnacovenanter.wordpress.com/2017/08/23/objections-to-psalmody-pt-3-psalmody-is-typology/

OBJECTIONS TO PSALMODY pt 4 THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLE IS FULFILLED IN Christ
https://rpcnacovenanter.wordpress.c...-regulative-principle-is-fulfilled-in-Christ/

OBJECTIONS TO EXCLUSIVE PSALMODY pt 5 Paul’S MYSTERY NOT IN THE PSALMS
https://rpcnacovenanter.wordpress.c...salmody-pt-5-pauls-mystery-not-in-the-psalms/

I hope you are edified no matter what position you end up adhering to in your life. That is the attitude of Denny's book.

Be very Encouraged
 
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