Divine Order in the Church

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RWD

Puritan Board Freshman
"Et al" means "and others" it does not mean "and all." Perhaps that's where your confusion lies about my statements. Either way, I reject your interpretation of my comments and am done discussing it.
Noted. I was aware of that and misspoke just now. My kick off post to you translated it correctly and that’s always what I had in mind. Thank you for the correction though. No, it’s not where my confusion lies. I’m not confused on what you’ve written. Only disappointed.
 

alexandermsmith

Puritan Board Sophomore
I hope I’m keeping this close enough on topic but this is a very telling excerpt from an article I linked earlier on this thread. The irony kills me, it’s like when proponents of SSM would say, how will my freedom to marry infringe on you in any way???... a few years later....

“Concerned pastors gathered to question the committee. People wondered whether this was a “slippery slope” toward women’s ordination, for example. Keller, one of the committee members, was skeptical. “It’s not like you get on train with unordained female deaconesses, and then the next stop is ordained female deacons, and then the next stop is women as ordained elders, and the next stop is female pastors, and you can’t get off the train,” she said. “The train stops, because nobody wants to see women in authoritative roles. Nobody believes that. If you believe that, you don’t belong here in the PCA.”
Funny cause that's EXACTLY how it has happened in every denomination that went liberal and how it will happen in the PCA if things don't change.
 

RWD

Puritan Board Freshman
Good articles. Did he never follow up with further articles on it? That's a shame.
@alexandermsmith - I have come across a two-part review of Aimme Byrd's Why Can't We Be Friends? that may be of interest to you. Here is Part 1 and Part 2. The author identifies with patriarchy, which is perhaps not a good idea, but I found these review articles useful.
Very good articles. Glad he took the time he did to navigate and nuance. I hope he writes the third one he alludes to at the close of the second. Though the first two were written with slightly over a month between them, it’s been nearly nine months since the second, so I’m not too hopeful for a third.

Maybe I missed it but I couldn’t detect from the articles that he identified with patriarchy. He does claim that his denomination is likely the most patriarchal denomination in the country. He also notes that the church he pastors is “super-patriarchal.” But as far as I can tell, those remarks, which actually served his points well, can’t be construed as endorsements (anymore than criticisms) of patriarchy. (He might like his church that way... or maybe he’s trying to change the course of things... or possibly he’s somewhat indifferent to patriarchy, which like many constructs can encompass a wide spectrum.)

Anyway, I found the pieces useful and the passing references to patriarchy helpful in punctuating one of his points - even in patriarchal settings, the problems Mrs. Byrd imagines aren’t prevalent.
 

Reformed Covenanter

Puritanboard Commissioner
Maybe I missed it but I couldn’t detect from the articles that he identified with patriarchy. He does claim that his denomination is likely the most patriarchal denomination in the country. He also notes that the church he pastors is “super-patriarchal.” But as far as I can tell, those remarks, which actually served his points well, can’t be construed as endorsements (anymore than criticisms) of patriarchy.
You could be right; he may just be saying that his position is seen as patriarchial.
 

RWD

Puritan Board Freshman
Either way, he seems very level headed and composed. I’m not familiar with all the conditions for what is called “patriarchy” but my guess is, good or bad, he himself is likely biblically balanced.
 
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