Court Dismisses Claims Challenging All-Male Limits On Theology Faculty

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  1. turmeric

    turmeric Megerator

  2. Backwoods Presbyterian

    Backwoods Presbyterian Puritan Board Doctor

    Good. Glad to see Paige Paterson had the cajones to stand by his convictions.
  3. Presbyterian Deacon

    Presbyterian Deacon Puritan Board Graduate

  4. fredtgreco

    fredtgreco Vanilla Westminsterian Staff Member

    It revolved around an employment lawsuit. The court basically ruled that it did not have jurisdiction in a seminary/church employment matter.
  5. Zenas

    Zenas Snow Miser


    Our law doesn't function that way. Fortunately, the law protects the Church, for now, from being forced to violate it's own religious views and adopt the secular, which is what would happen were this court to hold otherwise. They would force the Seminary to abandon religious conviction and adopt secular religious views regarding women in teaching positions.

    It's comming folks. Most assuredly.
  6. VictorBravo

    VictorBravo Administrator Staff Member

    Thanks. I actually have a similar case heading for summary judgment hearing in a couple of weeks. This decision applies the same argument I'm using. I'll bring it up in oral argument.:up:
  7. Zenas

    Zenas Snow Miser

    No, I'm not missing the point. I know the law should protect the church, but the fact that it does now is only a fleeting remant of the true meaning behind the laws of our land. Just as every other piece of jurisprudence considered archaic by our liberalized judicial and legislative systems has been replaced with garbage that fits their agenda to enslave the public to governmental power, this too will be swept away to enslave the church to the will of the National government.
  8. Zenas

    Zenas Snow Miser

    I wanna help. :)
  9. VictorBravo

    VictorBravo Administrator Staff Member

    Yes, I hear you are a star at oral argument. It would be fun to have you. But it's already been briefed and I think it will be hard to get you admitted to the Washington bar by Friday after next, even pro hace vice. ;)
  10. Zenas

    Zenas Snow Miser

    Awwww shucks! :p
  11. fredtgreco

    fredtgreco Vanilla Westminsterian Staff Member

    C'mon, Vic! Surely you have some photocopies that could be made, or memos to be proofread!

    After all, what are young associates for?
  12. Christusregnat

    Christusregnat Puritan Board Professor


    Would this apply even in a case where the seminary / church under question were not a creature of the state? For example, if the seminary weren't organized under state law, would they be under the jurisdiction which they often find themselves under?

  13. fredtgreco

    fredtgreco Vanilla Westminsterian Staff Member

    Incorporation has nothing to do with control. That is something espoused by "the church must never incorporate" types. Think about it. Can the courts rule on partnerships? Of course. How about a foreign entity? Of course.

    Law are applied outside of direct jurisdiction. The protection of the Church is to be found in the 1st Amendment, not in incorporation or jurisdictional theory.
  14. larryjf

    larryjf Puritan Board Senior

    This brings up another question.
    If accreditors can accept and decline who they wish based on criteria that would be acceptable to the government (like a quota for women), would the seminary have the same "cajones" when faced with losing accreditation?
  15. Backwoods Presbyterian

    Backwoods Presbyterian Puritan Board Doctor

    But I think the question larryjf is if the State can force religious institutions to fit those quotas. See Geneva College v. State of PA concerning Geneva's right to make being a Christian a requirement for hiring and the right of Geneva to post job opportunities on a State-run job links website. The courts finally ruled that the State has no right to deny opportunity to companies who want to post job openings on a state-run website because of the colleges religious convictions.
  16. reformedcop

    reformedcop Puritan Board Freshman

    Unfortunately :agree: The writing is on the wall.
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