Christian Rap

[TaylorOtwell]

Ok, I'll come clean.

I used to be a Christian rapper (and looked the part a little better than I do now)

www.soundclick.com/taylorandkyle

Another Gospel - expressing my frusterations with the prosperity "gospel" movement
Sample for Darian - the first verse off of the last song I recorded

 

[Augusta]

I appreciate what some of the Christians who rap are doing, but I just can't stand the genre. It irritates the stew right out of me if I hear it for more than a few minutes.

Thank you for your post, Lawrence U. For me it's seconds!

 

[kvanlaan]

Yes, this 38-year-old, head-covering, white, housewife from Connecticut LOVES reformed rap! I have a great sound system in my station wagon, and love to open the sun roof while noddin to Lecrae, Flame, Shai Linne and 116 Clique. I need to get some Tripp Lee and Cross Movement..oh, and Steven the Levite. Until I hear these guys rap, I never liked the genre.

Whoa. This is one of the things you just never think you'll read on the Puritan Board...

I believe rap music is responsible for the holes in the ozone layer.

 

[Rich Koster]

I'd like to hear what the Sugar Hill Gang would sound like if they were saved

 

[Theognome]

I liken Rap to tofu. You could Christianize it, I suppose, but what's the point?

Theognome

 

[steven-nemes]

I don't really like rap music, but I think Christian rap, especially when it's catchy and good, is just so funny. I like it, I guess.

I listen mostly to metal, though. Underoath (older stuff, pre-Spencer Chamberlain) is my favorite.

"Funny"?

And yes, Dallas-era Underoath is pretty good. But this thread isn't about metal.

I don't know what it is about it, but I laugh. I guess cause the lyrics are clever and I can relate with them and I like them, but I normally associate the genre with half-naked women and drug-peddlers.

(Dallas Taylor owns! "A Message for Adrienne" is so stinking beautifully written... and his earlier stuff, "Cries of the Past" and "Act of Depression" (the albums) are really really good, too!)

 

[Knoxienne]

I liken Rap to tofu. You could Christianize it, I suppose, but what's the point?

Theognome

Honey, tofu comes in handy for a lot of interesting and healthy dishes, so I hate to agree with your simile. Yet, I do.

 

[Roldan]

I liken Rap to tofu. You could Christianize it, I suppose, but what's the point?

Theognome

Whats the point? Christ centered music and the saving of souls from a perverse culture and an instrument to express sound theology.

 

[Theognome]

I liken Rap to tofu. You could Christianize it, I suppose, but what's the point?

Theognome

Whats the point? Christ centered music and the saving of souls from a perverse culture and an instrument to express sound theology.

That is simply gross, Sir. If a plate of tofu started doing that, I would run not walk, out of that Japanese restaurant!

Theognome

 

[Roldan]

I liken Rap to tofu. You could Christianize it, I suppose, but what's the point?

Theognome

Whats the point? Christ centered music and the saving of souls from a perverse culture and an instrument to express sound theology.

That is simply gross, Sir. If a plate of tofu started doing that, I would run not walk, out of that Japanese restaurant!

Theognome

Well Sorry you feel that way and you are definitely entitled to your opinion. But brother by all means make sure your opinion is biblically supported before you go putting down cultures you don't understand or even know for that matter. Thats the problem with folk, they are too comfortable in their own little world and bubble to the point that any other people group are forgotten and not even cared for. Sir are you willing to go into the gun popping streets of the ghetto to present Christ to this dying culture and generation, if so great join hands with us don't criticize, if not then don't judge or criticize those who are willing to risk their lives on a daily basis for the sake of Christ. By all means run forest run!!!! lol

I apologize to everyone if I sound harsh but to be quite honest I'm pretty tired of little hints of prejudice in uninformed peoples remarks against another culture, this is anti the great commission.

 

[raekwon]

I liken Rap to tofu. You could Christianize it, I suppose, but what's the point?

Theognome

Hip-hop music is a word-based medium. The Gospel is a word-based message. Therefore, the Gospel can be placed into hip-hop to the glory of God, much as it can be placed into other word-based mediums, like books, sermons, and classroom lessons.

Tofu, on the other hand, is a soybean-based food.

See the difference?

 

[Theognome]

Whats the point? Christ centered music and the saving of souls from a perverse culture and an instrument to express sound theology.

That is simply gross, Sir. If a plate of tofu started doing that, I would run not walk, out of that Japanese restaurant!

Theognome

Well Sorry you feel that way and you are definitely entitled to your opinion. But brother by all means make sure your opinion is biblically supported before you go putting down cultures you don't understand or even know for that matter. Thats the problem with folk, they are too comfortable in their own little world and bubble to the point that any other people group are forgotten and not even cared for. Sir are you willing to go into the gun popping streets of the ghetto to present Christ to this dying culture and generation, if so great join hands with us don't criticize, if not then don't judge or criticize those who are willing to risk their lives on a daily basis for the sake of Christ. By all means run forest run!!!! lol

I apologize to everyone if I sound harsh but to be quite honest I'm pretty tired of little hints of prejudice in uninformed peoples remarks against another culture, this is anti the great commission.

When I first read this, I'll admit my initial response was, 'Um... is this guy for real?'

That's the problem with some folk- a large chip on the shoulder that is impressed upon others, placing their own prejudices upon others. I don't recall attacking the poor of America in my post, or declaring a dying culture.

Take the plank our of your own eye, Sir.

Theognome

-----Added 2/17/2009 at 10:02:34 EST-----

I liken Rap to tofu. You could Christianize it, I suppose, but what's the point?

Theognome

Hip-hop music is a word-based medium. The Gospel is a word-based message. Therefore, the Gospel can be placed into hip-hop to the glory of God, much as it can be placed into other word-based mediums, like books, sermons, and classroom lessons.

Tofu, on the other hand, is a soybean-based food.

See the difference?

you're right, of course. My post was not intended to be taken with any seriousness- only expressing that I'm not a fan of Rap.

Theognome

 

[Roldan]

That is simply gross, Sir. If a plate of tofu started doing that, I would run not walk, out of that Japanese restaurant!

Theognome

Well Sorry you feel that way and you are definitely entitled to your opinion. But brother by all means make sure your opinion is biblically supported before you go putting down cultures you don't understand or even know for that matter. Thats the problem with folk, they are too comfortable in their own little world and bubble to the point that any other people group are forgotten and not even cared for. Sir are you willing to go into the gun popping streets of the ghetto to present Christ to this dying culture and generation, if so great join hands with us don't criticize, if not then don't judge or criticize those who are willing to risk their lives on a daily basis for the sake of Christ. By all means run forest run!!!! lol

I apologize to everyone if I sound harsh but to be quite honest I'm pretty tired of little hints of prejudice in uninformed peoples remarks against another culture, this is anti the great commission.

When I first read this, I'll admit my initial response was, 'Um... is this guy for real?'

That's the problem with some folk- a large chip on the shoulder that is impressed upon others, placing their own prejudices upon others. I don't recall attacking the poor of America in my post, or declaring a dying culture.

Take the plank our of your own eye, Sir.

Theognome

Nah not really I brush things like that off my shoulder as Jay-Z would say.

Im just speaking the truth about a sever problem we have in our mainline predominantly white middle class to wealthy denominations. I never said you attacked anything actually but anyone who can read can see the offensive hints in your remarks sir. It was christian hip-hop that brought me to Christ sir, now tell me whats gross about that..........

-----Added 2/17/2009 at 10:11:38 EST-----

you're right, of course. My post was not intended to be taken with any seriousness- only expressing that I'm not a fan of Rap.

Theognome

Well Im coo with that brother, you just have to pick your statements wisely. I mean you called the fact that the music is Christ centered and saves souls and is a medium to teach sound doctrine, gross. Honestly how else would a person take that sir. I apologize if I have offended you in anyway my intention was more to inform than to scold, sorry

 

[Theognome]

Well Sorry you feel that way and you are definitely entitled to your opinion. But brother by all means make sure your opinion is biblically supported before you go putting down cultures you don't understand or even know for that matter. Thats the problem with folk, they are too comfortable in their own little world and bubble to the point that any other people group are forgotten and not even cared for. Sir are you willing to go into the gun popping streets of the ghetto to present Christ to this dying culture and generation, if so great join hands with us don't criticize, if not then don't judge or criticize those who are willing to risk their lives on a daily basis for the sake of Christ. By all means run forest run!!!! lol

I apologize to everyone if I sound harsh but to be quite honest I'm pretty tired of little hints of prejudice in uninformed peoples remarks against another culture, this is anti the great commission.

When I first read this, I'll admit my initial response was, 'Um... is this guy for real?'

That's the problem with some folk- a large chip on the shoulder that is impressed upon others, placing their own prejudices upon others. I don't recall attacking the poor of America in my post, or declaring a dying culture.

Take the plank our of your own eye, Sir.

Theognome

Nah not really I brush things like that off my shoulder as Jay-Z would say.

Im just speaking the truth about a sever problem we have in our mainline predominantly white middle class to wealthy denominations. I never said you attacked anything actually but anyone who can read can see the offensive hints in your remarks sir. It was christian hip-hop that brought me to Christ sir, now tell me whats gross about that..........

Nay, you are speaking an opinion about mainline predominantly white middle class to wealthy denominations, not a truth by any stretch of the word. You are speaking pure stereotypes- ones that we hear from the world and not from Christendom. Anyone who can read will see the very deep chip I spoke of- something that not even Jay-Z can remove.

Before declaring to a man in a 'predominantly white middle class to wealthy denomination' who actually has proclaimed the gospel on the streets in some of the most violent ghettos of KC's inner city and has been used by Christ as an instrument to bring some of His chosen from the wretchedness of their sin from such places that his intent was to offend, remember that such accusations reveal far more about the accuser than the accused. For example- the easiest way to find a racist is to listen for the first person who cries, 'racist!'. Simply put, I believe you are looking for what is not there, and are grasping for straws.

Theognome

-----Added 2/17/2009 at 10:20:24 EST-----

Well Im coo with that brother, you just have to pick your statements wisely. I mean you called the fact that the music is Christ centered and saves souls and is a medium to teach sound doctrine, gross. Honestly how else would a person take that sir. I apologize if I have offended you in anyway my intention was more to inform than to scold, sorry

Ahh.

I see we may have both gone on tangents. My apologies if I likewise misunderstood you.

Theognome

 

[Craig]

Wow...I just listened to both Shai Linne tracks...I didn't know there were any talented rappers left. I'll be visiting iTunes pretty soon.

 

[Theognome]

Oh, and Roldan, you have to admit that if a plate of tofu started singing to you, you'd be somewhat perplexed. My post concerning what is gross was about tofu, not Rap.

theognome

 

[Roldan]

Oh, and Roldan, you have to admit that if a plate of tofu started singing to you, you'd be somewhat perplexed. My post concerning what is gross was about tofu, not Rap.

theognome

To be quit honest, i have no idea what tofu is LOL..... no seriously

 

[Theognome]

Oh, and Roldan, you have to admit that if a plate of tofu started singing to you, you'd be somewhat perplexed. My post concerning what is gross was about tofu, not Rap.

theognome

To be quit honest, i have no idea what tofu is LOL..... no seriously

It's soybean curd, fermented kinda like cheese, and is used often in various Asian dishes. To me, it's kinda like the taste of packaging popcorn found in understuffed boxes, with a texture not unlike moldy pudding. I highly recommend it to folks who despise eating.

But it is one of those foods that the folks who like eating uberhealthy stuff swear by. Personally, although I sometimes swear concerning tofu, it isn't by it.

Theognome

 

[Honor]

ok here's an admission... quite odd but totally true
I LOVE Toby Mac... My 5 year old and I were belting out Lose My Soul today in the car
and.....

I own like 4 Eminem CD's
usually when I tell people that I get that cocked-to-the-side-dog look huh? but I do that and a whole CD case of Techno but I guess that's a whole other thread

 

[Roldan]

Oh, and Roldan, you have to admit that if a plate of tofu started singing to you, you'd be somewhat perplexed. My post concerning what is gross was about tofu, not Rap.

theognome

To be quit honest, i have no idea what tofu is LOL..... no seriously

It's soybean curd, fermented kinda like cheese, and is used often in various Asian dishes. To me, it's kinda like the taste of packaging popcorn found in understuffed boxes, with a texture not unlike moldy pudding. I highly recommend it to folks who despise eating.

But it is one of those foods that the folks who like eating uberhealthy stuff swear by. Personally, although I sometimes swear concerning tofu, it isn't by it.

Theognome

 

[Theognome]

See? I told you it was gross!

Sushi, however, is great stuff!

Theognome

 

[Honor]

See? I told you it was gross!

Sushi, however, is great stuff!

Theognome

here here!!!!

 

[SemperEruditio]

I was a big fan of rap. Tried to get into Christian rap but it was embarrassing. I had written it off for almost two decades until I had a friend ask me what Reformed Christian rap would sound like. I went on the hunt and it turned out all the artists he liked were reformed Christian rappers.

My playlist so far:
The Ambassador
ChristCentric
The CrossMovement
Cruz Cordero
Da Truth
Evangel
Everyday Process
Flame
Lecrae
Phanatik
Shai Linne
T.R.U.-L.I.F.E.
Timothy Brindle
The Tonic

Michelle Bonilla isn't a rapper but is on the CrossMovement label and has a great CD.


Brindle has not put anything out. He is under church discipline and until he gets things worked out is not allowed to produce any music. Much respect to him and his church for exhibiting church discipline.

 

[raekwon]

Brindle has a couple of albums out. I got one on eMusic just a few weeks back.

 

[SemperEruditio]

I meant Brindle has not put anything new out. Killing Sin and The Great Awakening are it. Right?

 

[Roldan]

I was a big fan of rap. Tried to get into Christian rap but it was embarrassing. I had written it off for almost two decades until I had a friend ask me what Reformed Christian rap would sound like. I went on the hunt and it turned out all the artists he liked were reformed Christian rappers.

My playlist so far:
The Ambassador
ChristCentric
The CrossMovement
Cruz Cordero
Da Truth
Evangel
Everyday Process
Flame
Lecrae
Phanatik
Shai Linne
T.R.U.-L.I.F.E.
Timothy Brindle
The Tonic

Michelle Bonilla isn't a rapper but is on the CrossMovement label and has a great CD.


Brindle has not put anything out. He is under church discipline and until he gets things worked out is not allowed to produce any music. Much respect to him and his church for exhibiting church discipline.

Just so were clear on who's reformed and who's not because I know these guys personally for many years being that I have been doing reformed hip hop for 13yrs.


The Ambassador- 4 point Calvinist but not reformed, Ive discussed the L many times with him.

The Crossmovement-Not reformed some calvinist and some arminians

Cruz Cordero-was reformed but now a Federal Vision proponent loves Doug Wilson and NT Wright and is also now a Charasmatic and Im even in a present discussion with him about God speaking audibly to people still which he believes , we go way back

Da Truth-Calvinist but not reformed

Evangel- Thoroughly reformed!! MEmber of Christcentric

Christcentric-Thoroughly reformed, My group Reform Ordincane appears on their last album, song called "ALready not Yet" Amil perspective hehe

Everyday process-not sure really never met them but lyrics have Calvinistic influence

Flame-Calvinist but not reformed so far as I know but is leaning.

Lecrae-Calvinist but not reformed

Phanatik-Arminian in theology even though he wouldn't like to be called that, from my conversations with him

Shai linne-Refomed Baptist, yes you guys have one out there lol jk

True Life-Calvinist but not reformed

Timothy Brindle-The last time I talked to him he was Reformed Baptist

The Tonic one of the founders of Crossmovement-Calvinist not reformed

there are others out who are reformed still underground but making it big lately like....

Azriel from the K.C.

Black Calvinist who pops in here now and then and member of the PCA and very active in his local congregation

My crew Reforme Ordinance also members of the PCA

Believen Stephen-Reformed Baptist

and some other that don't cross my mind at the moment

But anyways just some FYI HOLLA!!

-----Added 2/18/2009 at 02:40:56 EST-----

I meant Brindle has not put anything new out. Killing Sin and The Great Awakening are it. Right?

Yuppers

 

[raekwon]

The Ambassador- 4 point Calvinist but not reformed, Ive discussed the L many times with him.

That's surprising, since he's a pastor in an Acts 29 Network church.

 

[Roldan]

The Ambassador- 4 point Calvinist but not reformed, Ive discussed the L many times with him.

That's surprising, since he's a pastor in an Acts 29 Network church.

YEah Epiphany Fellowship in North Philly my hood lol

Then again its been like a year since I really sat down to talk to him so maybe things have change.

 

[SemperEruditio]

Ahhhh I forget the TR vs Calvinist thing.

Now is a Reformed Anglican TR? Not sure if BlackCalvinist is PCA.

Turns out Apologist from ChristCentric is a neighbor. Been by his house a bit. I can say that including you I am up to knowing three Latinos in the PCA/OPC.

A Dominican, a Cuban, and a Mexican walk into a church...and the preacher says..."

 

[Roldan]

Ahhhh I forget the TR vs Calvinist thing.

Now is a Reformed Anglican TR? Not sure if BlackCalvinist is PCA.

Turns out Apologist from ChristCentric is a neighbor. Been by his house a bit. I can say that including you I am up to knowing three Latinos in the PCA/OPC.

A Dominican, a Cuban, and a Mexican walk into a church...and the preacher says..."

lol yeah tell me about it.....My pops has one of the few spanish mission churches in Central Florida in the PCA, this is why I have a passion to reach my culture spanish and english, feel me

I thought for sure Black C. was but I'll go ask him real quick

And Apologist thats my brotha from anotha motha, I love that dude

-----Added 2/18/2009 at 03:26:14 EST-----

Ahhhh I forget the TR vs Calvinist thing.

Now is a Reformed Anglican TR? Not sure if BlackCalvinist is PCA.

Turns out Apologist from ChristCentric is a neighbor. Been by his house a bit. I can say that including you I am up to knowing three Latinos in the PCA/OPC.

A Dominican, a Cuban, and a Mexican walk into a church...and the preacher says..."

My bad, your right he's not PCA but in the Evangelical Free Church