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Discussion in 'Cults & World Religions' started by pianoman, Jul 7, 2011.

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  1. pianoman

    pianoman Puritan Board Freshman

    So, I just heard about this thing called chrislam with churches putting the Quran in their pews. Anybody know why these people are locking arms with Islam, and what they are thinking? Of course, I've heard that Rick Warren apparently likes the idea of chrislam. It definitely seems like islam is and will be an issue in America
  2. JennyG

    JennyG Puritan Board Graduate

    news to me, but I don't like the sound of it
  3. J. Dean

    J. Dean Puritan Board Junior

    Holy cow...

    A friend of mine said something to me about this the other day, but I thought he was pulling my leg.

    I need to bring this to the attention of others.
  4. Reformed Thomist

    Reformed Thomist Puritan Board Sophomore

    I can support uniting with Muslims in certain ways in the political arena (i.e., against gay 'marriage', combating militant atheism/secularism), but while Christianity and Islam as 'religions' or theological systems, on the surface, do have a lot in common (naturally, the latter being an heresy of the former), they are fundamentally at odds, contradictory. There can be no syncretic 'Chrislam' religion without the catholic faith being compromised -- in effect, rejected.
  5. Rufus

    Rufus Puritan Board Junior

    I've heard of this several times on facebook, etc. and I don't really believe the rumors. Chrislam is a very small religion in Nigeria, and CARM has an article on it. But the idea (as I've heard it) that American churches (and Evangelical ones at that) are going Chris-lam is absurd, ten years after 9/11 and in general most Americans feel uncomfortable with Muslims (not just Islam) weather they admit it or not.
  6. J. Dean

    J. Dean Puritan Board Junior

  7. Joseph Scibbe

    Joseph Scibbe Puritan Board Junior

    Sounds like a stupid heresy.
  8. Bill The Baptist

    Bill The Baptist Puritan Board Senior

    This sounds a bit crazy, but I wouldn't put anything past some of these liberal churches. If they would allow a gay man to be a pastor, why not a Quran in the pew? As far as Rick Warren supporting it, I haven't heard that. Of course if he did, he would vaguely deny it to John Piper, and then claim that he has never been anti-muslim on CNN, and then give a speech at an Arab League event, and then claim to be perplexed as to why people don't know where he stands.
  9. pianoman

    pianoman Puritan Board Freshman

    Yeah, I don't even think Warren knows what he supports. I don't like wishy washiness.
  10. VictorBravo

    VictorBravo Administrator Staff Member


    Unless someone has firm evidence that Rick Warren, or any other well known pastor, supports merging Christianity with Islam, there is no point smearing such folks with speculation or innuendo.

    The 9th commandment applies even when we are talking about people with whom we disagree.
  11. CIT

    CIT Puritan Board Post-Graduate

  12. Michael

    Michael Puritan Board Senior

    I hadn't heard the term "Chrislam" prior to seeing this thread, however I can tell you first hand that this stuff is really catching on. I have a friend who belongs to a very influential church here in Atlanta who is into it. She has gone on two mission trips to Kosovo spreading this type of gospel. Basically, the evangelistic presentation is that you can remain a Muslim if you just accept Christ as your savior. They love the Quran and all the biblical parallels. They see this as the next great movement. And politically speaking, they see this as an essential part of world peace.
  13. PuritanCovenanter

    PuritanCovenanter Moderator Staff Member

    I don't know if this matters but in the Arabic Bible Jesus is called the Son of Allah as Allah is the name for God. It was rather confusing to me when I first learned of this on the RBLIST. And here is a blog that tries to set things in a different light. I am not a Rick Warren fan but I am not quick to throw tomatoes either. BTW, the Q'ran is not the word of God and to claim it has inspiration and is useful in worship of the one true God is the old sin of idolatry.

    My Response to Pastor Rick Warren Being Labeled a Chrislam |
  14. Andres

    Andres Puritan Board Doctor

    That website looks pretty sketchy, but I am curious as to when that article is from. I couldn't find a date, but I do remember when Warren spoke at the Islamic Society of North America's Annual Convention back in June 2009. I blogged about this 2 years ago and of course, Warren's supporters came out of the woodworks. I ended up writing a few more blog posts where I disputed Warren's supporters. If anyone's interested, PM me for the links.
  15. Rufus

    Rufus Puritan Board Junior

    That's bizzare because if your a Muslim you have to reject Christ as God and affirm Muhammed as the final and greatest prophet, and the Quran supports that.
  16. LawrenceU

    LawrenceU Puritan Board Doctor

    I wonder if their Q'ran copies are actually an accurate translation. There is only one that has not been 'adjusted' in order to not offend Western sensibilities. It is a work done by Usama Dakdok. He is a native Arabic speaker who is a Christian. I have a copy and almost all of the other standard translations. The differences are remarkable. I was give it by a friend who is an Arabic (Palestinian) Christian. His family have been Christians for nearly 2000 years. He's from Nazareth, btw. I have had several other native Arabic speakers, both Christian and Muslim, tell me that it is much closer to the Arabic.
  17. PuritanCovenanter

    PuritanCovenanter Moderator Staff Member

    I don't understand your post Pastor U. Do you mean that the accurate Arabic translations of the scriptures don't use the Son of Allah as a translation for Jesus being the Son of God?
  18. pianoman

    pianoman Puritan Board Freshman

  19. LawrenceU

    LawrenceU Puritan Board Doctor

    No, I wasn't referring to that. Most of the differences that I have noted have to do with the true nature and motivation of Islam regarding 'infidels' and 'people of the book'. If you have an accurate translation you will quickly see that what is called 'extreme' Islam is actually a plain reading of the text.
  20. PuritanCovenanter

    PuritanCovenanter Moderator Staff Member

    Thanks Pastor. With that we agree. I don't know how others can't. It is pretty well documented.
  21. Joseph Scibbe

    Joseph Scibbe Puritan Board Junior

    Now the end begins is a hyper fundamentalist website that I don't trust as far as I can throw. The document linked in the first site looks more like "Lets stop fighting with each other and blowing each other up and learn to live next to each other" not "We are the same religion". I highly doubt Warren is involved in the stupidity of chrislam.
  22. LawrenceU

    LawrenceU Puritan Board Doctor

    I, too, would be stunned. Head hunting high profile ministers is an easy game, and becoming more popular all the time. I wonder how some of the shooters would feel if the roles were reversed. It is true that many high profile ministers make gaffs, and even hold unsound theological positions. How many of us do the same?
  23. Rufus

    Rufus Puritan Board Junior

    Agreed, and I don't support Rick Warren nor have I read any of his books, or would I attend his church. The article also tags Warren on with those liberal churches that where having reconciliation meetings and what not. I've seen other bizarre things on websites like that.
  24. PuritanCovenanter

    PuritanCovenanter Moderator Staff Member

    That is why I posted this.
    My Response to Pastor Rick Warren Being Labeled a Chrislam |

    I saw that the one site was a very dispy site and you know how the blogosphere is. Some people tend to just start posting links and commenting on things whether they are true or not. They just don't seem to take the time to check it out. I have probably been guilty of it myself before. I hope not though. I even check out my Dad's emails he sends to me using I can't believe all the stuff that is pawned off as truth in emails and blogs. Some of it is purely a violation of the Ninth Commandment.
  25. Bill The Baptist

    Bill The Baptist Puritan Board Senior

    I agree that these accusations against Pastor Warren have no basis and are almost certainly false. The sad thing is that because he has often been so wishy washy, people tend to believe these kinds of stories about him. Regardless, we shouldn't make false accusations against anyone.
  26. E Nomine

    E Nomine Puritan Board Freshman

  27. Andres

    Andres Puritan Board Doctor

    The accusations against Warren are not completely without basis and/or false. As I mentioned, Warren did in fact speak at the annual convention of the Islamic Society of North America in 2009. Here is an excerpt from an article on what Warren shared:

    Now here's an excerpt from Warren himself where he attempts to explain why he speaks at these "interfaith" events:
    The problem I have with what Warren has said above is it's just not true. Warren may speak to groups of unbelievers, but he does not share the gospel with them. In fact, this is another excerpt from the first article:
  28. toddpedlar

    toddpedlar Iron Dramatist Staff Member

    My strong suspicion is that those who are into this apostate movement have read as much of the Qur'ans that are in their pews as they have the Bibles that are beside them.
  29. J. Dean

    J. Dean Puritan Board Junior


    Rick Warren reminds me a lot of Phillip Doddridge, who was personally orthodox but often fraternized with unorthodox people to the point of giving the impression that he approved of their false teachings.

    When you get into "interfaith" matters, you need to be very careful. It's not thar far a leap from dialogue to compromise.
  30. Pergamum

    Pergamum Ordinary Guy (TM)

    Many Muslims will tell you that there is no such thing as an accurate translation of the Qur'an because the Mother Book in Heaven is in Arabic and prayers and readings of the Qur'an should also be in Arabic.
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