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Discussion in 'General discussions' started by jenson75, Jun 15, 2005.
Most of the time I like him.For somebody who is popular,he does seem to have detailed teaching/preaching.He`s friends with Rc Sproul.
I have not analyzed his teaching since becoming reformed. He was however, I think, one of my steps toward finding and listening to RC Sproul. I would listen to him too and always thought he sounded really no nonsense. I know he comes out of DTS but I have never heard him preach like a dispensationalist.
Has Mega church 5 miles from my house. The church is growing so fast, its standing room only on some days. I know this because a friend of mine attends. Swindoll is very active with DTS (Dallas Theological Seminary). Teaches Dispensational theology. Typical bible church atmosphere. I think you would be better served to find Dr. Sproul on radio or MP3's on sermon audio. fyi- DTS is moving toward a "progressive dispensationalism" in some circles. Not sure if Swindoll pushes that or not, dont spend much time researching.
I can say this, regardless of his theology being good or bad , my friend enjoy's Swindoll, which makes me happy because prior to attending Swindoll he refused to go to church or talk about Christ. I figured better to have him there than no where... He picked Stonebriar Church because a job he held required men's meeting at that church. By God's grace the guys at this job of his got him connected w Swindoll. So, two years of prayer for my friend landed him with Swindoll..... what am I to say???? Now he is changing his life, repenting, reading the word on regular basis. Praise God!
His denomination is Evangelical Free which does not emphasize eschatology though it is pre-millennial. Holds to DTS teachings about sanctification from what I can tell. Better Swindoll than no one, but I find him "fluffy" at times. I know someone who went to his church when he was in Fullerton, CA who says he used to be a good expository preacher (Dispie, I'm sure) but he seems to have changed. Not sure why, hopefully he'll change again, for the better.
I agree with what people have said so far. As far as public speaking goes, he is incredible. His voice is perfect for public speaking, and he does preach the Bible. I have heard him preach dispensationalism (I was dispie-oriented then and it wasn't too convincing), but like all church-growers, they know that you do not grow a church by preaching eschatology. Althoguh fluffy at times, I like him and will listen to him if he is on the radio when I am in the car.
From hearing him he has a more biblical-oriented view of sanctification as opposed to say, Bruce Wilkinson. Now on paper they might believe the same thing.
I would gladlyhear him preach. I don't like his books, though.
Personal preference, perhaps. I don't read him when I have a chance to read Piper, Sproul, et al.
He is definitely Dispensational, and a promoter of the church-growth phenomenon, not to mention that the Evangelical Free Churches are largely Arminian. I guess I just don't understand why a Reformed believer would want to spend time reading him for personal growth when there is such a mass of first-rate Puritan and Reformed writings we'll never be able to get through as it is.
Is Chuck Swindoll reformed?Vernon McGee was reformed but "WAS" a dispensationalist.
That's incorrect. The majority of Free Churches are Calvinistic ( roughly 60% Calvinist, 40% Arminian). The bulk of folks at our Seminary (Trinity) are Calvinistic. The denom has been gradually becoming more Calvinistic over the past few years thanks to folks like D.A. Carson, Greg Strand (who I've met - very nice guy!) and Willem VanGeremen (hope I spelled his name right).
Now of that 60% Calvinistic bunch, about 30% are paedobaptist and 70% are credobaptist. My pastor's part of that 30% paedo crowd.
How has Willem Van Gemeren influenced the EFCA? Doesn't he still teach at M.A.R.S.?
Swindoll believes and preaches election! Have you heard his sermon on Romans 9? Quite good.
He is very practical, teaching that if you believe it you live it! Sound doctrine produces right living.
I love to listen to him and am very encouraged by his preaching. He takes tough theological concepts and makes them very easy to understand and to communicate to others. Don't get me wrong, I also like to hear more "theological" preachers, but Swindoll is a refreshing breeze at times, showing where that theology leads in living! It isn't just what you know, but who you are in Christ that matters.
Also, while he has a large church I have never equated him with the church growth movement. His books are hit and miss.
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I remember reading on a Jonathan Edwards site that Swindoll believed that faith comes before regeneration. It was a challenge to him and those at DTS about their statement of faith.
He may say he believes in election but has anyone heard him talk about faith and regeneration? Does he believe that faith comes before or after?
He may tinker with it and say that while elect, God could have ordained that faith come before regeneration. Of course, saying that undermines in practice and in theory faith coming before regeneration.
Everyone I have personally known from the EFCA has either been basically Arminian or else apathetic on the subject, except for just a couple Calvinistic professors at Trinity International University when I visited over a year ago. I also recall Dr. Sproul specifically mentioning Dr. Swindoll and commenting that his views on soteriology were somewhat unclear.
I took a trip on the old Bible bus with McGee. I listened to him for years while I did the dishes after dinner along with Lester Roloff. (however you spell Roleoff). McGee definitely wasn't reformed. He even believed Jesus was still trying to get Judas to come unto him after the betrayal. Jesus was unsuccessful. McGee was a Presbyterian at one time. Darby and Scofield just got to him.
As far as Swindoll goes.... He is back and forth. Sometimes he sounds like one who believes in Irrestible Grace then at other times he says God would never impose His will upon another because He is a gentleman. I just say ask old King Neb and St. Paul. That should answer the question.
[Edited on 6-16-2005 by puritancovenanter]
I agree with Randy.
Have a look here .They have a thing or two to say about Dallas Theological Cemetary.
But,I have heard several sermons where he said he is a calvinist.That he believed in election.
I didn`t hear his Romans 9 sermon.I did hear him explain thoroughly that we are chosen by God.I really enjoyed his preaching through the book of Job.I hope maybe our pastor might preach from Job after he is through with John.We are about half-way through.So,that means we have about 6 more months to go.Which is a good thing.I love John.
Chuck preached about election when he preached on Ephesians. It was excellent, and for at least the first chapters he was fluff-free and very Calvinistic.
Every denomination and theological persuasion has a doctrine of election. They differ in when does God do the electing. Did he do it based upon seeing a persons faith in the future or did God elect them based upon His sovereign will and not based upon anything within them.
Others claim to be Calvinist...3 pointers...3.5 pointers...4 pointers... 4.5 pointers.....5 pointers....take your pick. I personally don't believe you can be anything less than a 5 pointer logically.
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Swindoll said that God chose before the creation of hte world based upon His own sovereign will with no "input" from a twisted view of foreknowledge. He said plainly that God chose to save those who would be saved and did not chose those who would be lost. He stated in his sermon on Romans 9 that "salvation begins with God's sovereign choice of who He will save."
It was very calvinistic!
We are talking about J. Vernon McGee Phil. I don't believe Swindoll is consistant on his doctrinal stance either. He may be a so called 4 pointer who believes in equipoise.
Maybe you are correct.There is a friend of mine who also says he is a Calvinist but says in Roman`s 8 that foreknew is defined as knowing the future person`s heart would turn or something.Instead of the word foreknew meaning He(God) chose before time to love the person in spite of the evil of his heart.
It is no surprise to me Swindoll waivers. Fractional Calvinism (3pt, 3.365 pts, 4.5pt et al) seems to be the norm w DTS realm. In my opinion its inconsistent Calvinism that is in its discovery/ growth phase. Then when they figure out that reformed/covenant theology is a key element to grasping Calvinism then "Viola".... I was like that until it "clicked".
Actually, Covenant Theology isn't a 'key' in grasping Calvinism.... I only have begun to fully accept Covenant Theology this year ( 2 months actually ).... I've been a fully convinced 5-pointer since December of 2000. You still have a buncha folks who are either 'modified' dispensationalists (like MacArthur) who are fully Calvinistic or some Progressive Dispy folks (like I used to be) who are fully Calvinistic as well.
What are you now???????