Books on Predestination

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  1. monoergon

    monoergon Puritan Board Freshman

    I want to give my Arminian friend a book on God's sovereignty in salvation. (He has no college degree on theology).

    I found two books that appear to be good on the topic of Predestination and God's sovereignty, but I don't know which one to buy:

    (1) Predestination - Gordon Clark
    (2) The Sovereignty of God - Arthur W. Pink

    Is there a reason I should choose one over the other? (not considering the price).
     
  2. TylerRay

    TylerRay Puritan Board Senior

    If your friend needs more of a popular-level introduction to the topic, rather than a heavy theological treatise, you might give him Chosen by God by R. C. Sproul or The Five Points of Calvinism by Steele, Thomas, and Quinn.

    Pink's book would be a pretty heavy volume for someone not used to reading theological literature. I don't know about Clark's book.
     
  3. Hamalas

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  4. Cymro

    Cymro Puritan Board Junior

    Clark on Predestination is so logical, Biblical, unapologetic and
    straight forward. No dodging issues, and says it as it is.
     
  5. KMK

    KMK Administrator Staff Member

    I would point him to Eph 1 and 2 first. You would be surprised at how many Christians have never read it nor heard it preached.
     
  6. JM

    JM Puritan Board Professor

    Pink!


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  7. Logan

    Logan Puritan Board Junior

    I studied Pink but was already leaning that direction.
    I really liked Sproul's "Chosen by God" and used that when discussing the subject with a classmate of mine several years ago.

    Probably the most powerful combination for me was Owen's "Display of Arminianism", and it's less thick than some of his other writings. His "Death of Death in the Death of Christ" is more for Limited Atonement but is also splendid when dealing with this subject. I freely admit that I would not hand Owen to your friend first though!
     
  8. JP Wallace

    JP Wallace Puritan Board Sophomore

    One I always liked was Loraine Boettner's The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination.
     
  9. timmopussycat

    timmopussycat Puritan Board Junior

    The chapter on election in John Piper's The Pleasures of God.
     
  10. stephen2

    stephen2 Puritan Board Freshman

    YES! I would actually discourage you from using Pink's book. As an Arminian I found it unhelpful - it is more useful now that I am convinced of the doctrines of grace. If you want a book that will help an Arminian I think you ought to consider Piper. He has been used to help many of us because his arguments not only address the intellect (as Sproul so nicely does in Chosen by God) but deals with the heart issues that are really at the bottom of any Arminian's opposition to election. The two men who most helped me move from Arminianism to Calvinism were Piper and Lloyd-Jones.
     
  11. monoergon

    monoergon Puritan Board Freshman

    Stephen2,
    Do you think that chapter alone is equivalent to Piper's "Five Points: Towards a Deeper Experience of God's Grace"?
     
  12. stephen2

    stephen2 Puritan Board Freshman

    I haven't read the other, but there is something unique about The Pleasures of God that I think makes it particularly helpful. Instead of writing a book on Calvinism he writes a book on God and the pleasures that God has in himself. Election is treated as part of that whole. Piper when he gets to election shows something of the beauty and wonder of election and how it brings glory to God. I think it is a lot easier for an Arminian to be persuaded of election when he can see the majesty of God in it and this comes out very well in The Pleasures of God
     
  13. monoergon

    monoergon Puritan Board Freshman

    Download Piper's "Five Points: Towards a Deeper Experience of God's Grace" from Desiring God legally free: link
     
  14. JBaldwin

    JBaldwin Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    This is one of my favorite books on the subject. While it is a bit hefty, chapter one alone is worth the entire book.
     
  15. monoergon

    monoergon Puritan Board Freshman

    Could anyone send me a photocopy of Gordon Clark's explanation of God hardening Pharaoh's heart? It is in his Predestination book, on pages 159-161 (I think).
    Since it is only three pages, I think it's legal. Send me a private message so I can send my e-mail.
    Thanks
     
  16. ReformedChristian

    ReformedChristian Puritan Board Freshman

  17. Clark-Tillian

    Clark-Tillian Puritan Board Freshman

    Agreed. That is the place to start--The Word. Clark is top notch, after that.
     
  18. stephen2

    stephen2 Puritan Board Freshman

    As you study God's hardening of Pharaoh's heart you really ought to look at Calvin's commentary of Exodus. His comments on this whole narrative are absolutely outstanding. It also happens to be some real good bed-time devotional reading. Tremendous stuff in those commentaries.
     
  19. monoergon

    monoergon Puritan Board Freshman

    Thank you. I'll check that out since I'm refuting a Seventh Day Adventist who is using that passage
     
  20. kainos01

    kainos01 Puritan Board Senior

    It was while reading Pink that I was firmly convinced both of the error of my Arminian ways and the truth regarding God's sovereignty. I next moved on to Boettner, and found that to be very good, too. Gertsner's Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth not only sealed the fate on the illogicality of Arminianism for me, but utterly destroyed my Dispensationalism, as well!
     
  21. JM

    JM Puritan Board Professor

    I can't think of another work that had more influence on the Baptists I know than Pink.


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