Birthday Vs. Lord's Day

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crhoades

Puritan Board Graduate
I think you missed it. I believe the OT sabbath was a type of God's rest in Christ. I'm resting in Him from all my labors. He is my Sabbath.
http://www.freegrace.net/FAQArticles/who_keeps_the_sabbath.htm


The Lord Jesus Christ gives rest to every sinner who comes to him by faith (Matt. 11:28). In the mind and purpose of God, the works of redemption and grace were finished before the foundation of the world, but this blessed rest of salvation must be apprehended and entered into by faith and it is written, "That some must enter therein". God has an elect people who must come to Christ by faith and enter into his rest. What is that rest which Christ gives to sinners when they come to him by faith? He gives us the blessed rest of complete pardon (Isa. 43:25; Eph. 1:6), perfect reconciliation (Col. 1:20-21), absolute security (John 10:27-30), and his providential care (Rom. 8:28). Coming to Christ by faith, we find rest. In this way we keep the Sabbath, but our Sabbath of faith is more than a ceasing from our own works and a remembering of our redemption. It also involves, in its essence, the consecration of our lives to God our savior (Matt. 11:29-30). We keep the Sabbath of faith and find rest for our souls when we willfully, deliberately, wholeheartedly surrender to Christ as our Lord. Keeping the Sabbath is more than going to church on Sunday and keeping one day in seven for religious exercises. It is ceasing from our works, trusting Christ alone for acceptance with God, and consecrating ourselves entirely to Him. In doing so, we find rest!
Not answering for Jenney but for myself, I wouldn't deny what you just wrote. I would only add that just as marriage is a type that points to true union with Christ through faith and we are still to marry because it was a part of creation - thus we are to also observe the Sabbath minus its ceremonial aspects looking forward to our eternal rest and resting in Christ for our justification.
 

jenney

Puritan Board Freshman
I think you missed it. I believe the OT sabbath was a type of God's rest in Christ. I'm resting in Him from all my labors. He is my Sabbath.
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Keeping the Sabbath is more than going to church on Sunday and keeping one day in seven for religious exercises. It is ceasing from our works, trusting Christ alone for acceptance with God, and consecrating ourselves entirely to Him. In doing so, we find rest!
I am still not seeing how not keeping the day holy is making it more.

It implies that this:
"The sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering their common affairs aforehand, do not only observe a holy rest all day, from their own works, words and thoughts, about their worldly employment and recreations, but are also taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of his worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy."

is making less of the day because we who believe this are somehow not ceasing from our works and trusting in Christ alone for acceptance with God.

That isn't what you are saying, right? That wouldn't even make sense, so I'm not sure why I'm asking! You can't think that I'm relying on works for my salvation just because I love the Lord's Day. But the article implies that if we do remember the Sabbath and keep it holy that we are merely going to church on Sunday and keeping one day in seven. Which is what confuses me.

Thanks for your patience! I'm like the Bear of Little Brain.
 

Blueridge Believer

Puritan Board Professor
I am still not seeing how not keeping the day holy is making it more.

It implies that this:
"The sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering their common affairs aforehand, do not only observe a holy rest all day, from their own works, words and thoughts, about their worldly employment and recreations, but are also taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of his worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy."

is making less of the day because we who believe this are somehow not ceasing from our works and trusting in Christ alone for acceptance with God.

That isn't what you are saying, right? That wouldn't even make sense, so I'm not sure why I'm asking! You can't think that I'm relying on works for my salvation just because I love the Lord's Day. But the article implies that if we do remember the Sabbath and keep it holy that we are merely going to church on Sunday and keeping one day in seven. Which is what confuses me.

Thanks for your patience! I'm like the Bear of Little Brain.

I enjoy the Lord's day as much as you. I would not miss an assembly of the saints but under the most extreme duress. However, I do not believe that Sunday, or the Lord's day, is the Sabbath.
 

jenney

Puritan Board Freshman
I enjoy the Lord's day as much as you. I would not miss an assembly of the saints but under the most extreme duress. However, I do not believe that Sunday, or the Lord's day, is the Sabbath.
I think I understand your position now.

When your signature line says you hold to the LBC of 1644/1646, does that mean you do not hold to the LBC of 1689? They aren't mutually exclusive, of course, but they are nearly unrelated and the 1689 doesn't leave any wiggle room wrt the Christian Sabbath.

I'm asking because my understanding was that joining the board here was essentially an agreement to either the WCF or the LBC-1689. If that were the case, there might be a question of the practical outworking of the Christian Sabbath but not an outright denial of it (as both the LBC-1689 and the WCF are quite clear in their position). And so it surprises me that you would hold to that view and still be here.

Do you believe we need to obey the Law of God? Or are you dispensational regarding the Ten Commandments?

If you are weary of answering my questions, you can stop and I won't be offended! I don't want to hijack the thread!

all the best,
 

Bondman

Puritan Board Freshman
I don't want to hijack the thread!
Don't worry about hijacking it.

Can you show why you hold Sunday as the Sabbath.

Why is our Sabbath different from the Jewish Sabbath as regards to the strictness of what we are able to do?
 

Blueridge Believer

Puritan Board Professor
I think I understand your position now.

When your signature line says you hold to the LBC of 1644/1646, does that mean you do not hold to the LBC of 1689? They aren't mutually exclusive, of course, but they are nearly unrelated and the 1689 doesn't leave any wiggle room wrt the Christian Sabbath.

I'm asking because my understanding was that joining the board here was essentially an agreement to either the WCF or the LBC-1689. If that were the case, there might be a question of the practical outworking of the Christian Sabbath but not an outright denial of it (as both the LBC-1689 and the WCF are quite clear in their position). And so it surprises me that you would hold to that view and still be here.

Do you believe we need to obey the Law of God? Or are you dispensational regarding the Ten Commandments?

If you are weary of answering my questions, you can stop and I won't be offended! I don't want to hijack the thread!

all the best,

That's fine dear sister. My church actually holds to both the 1689 and the 1646. However, we disagree with the sabbath position in the 1689. As far as the law goes, it is written in our hearts and we delight in it after the inward man. Nothing in the NT gives us the right to live in direct oppostion to the law of God. It is the grace of God that brings salvation that teaches us how to live, denying ungodliness and worldy lust and to live soberly and righteously in this present evil world. As far as the two baptist confessions go, I find that the 1646 presents my view of the doctrines of the faith better.
However, I am in general agreement with the 1689.
God bless and keep you!
 

jenney

Puritan Board Freshman
Don't worry about hijacking it.

Can you show why you hold Sunday as the Sabbath.
yes.

Why is our Sabbath different from the Jewish Sabbath as regards to the strictness of what we are able to do?
One reason I don't really want to hijack the thread is that this spinoff doesn't seem to totally belong in this forum the way the original post did. So I would prefer taking it elsewhere and giving it a thread of its own, and one which is more visible to the more articulate (than I) to take up.

Furthermore, there are really excellent books out there on this subject. Several were listed above and I would recommend them instead of arguing for the position they/I hold, because I am not a very good debater and don't have a lot of time at the computer to maintain the discussion.

I'm sorry if I've egged on a discussion in which I don't care to participate. That's why I usually avoid the forums outside the family one! :um:

shalom,
jenney
 

jenney

Puritan Board Freshman
As far as the law goes, it is written in our hearts and we delight in it after the inward man.
It seems odd to me to delight in the law while breaking it. Or does your church teach that it has just passed away, so it can't be broken?

Where is Dublin? I used to live in up in Leesburg.
jenney
 

Blueridge Believer

Puritan Board Professor
It seems odd to me to delight in the law while breaking it. Or does your church teach that it has just passed away, so it can't be broken?

Where is Dublin? I used to live in up in Leesburg.
jenney
Again dear sister, one keeps the sabbath by resting in Christ. Christ is the sabbath rest. As for keeping the law, no one on earth has ever kept it but Christ. Dublin is about 60 miles south of Roanoke.

God bless and keep you.
 

Scott Bushey

Puritanboard Commissioner
Again dear sister, one keeps the sabbath by resting in Christ. Christ is the sabbath rest. As for keeping the law, no one on earth has ever kept it but Christ. Dublin is about 60 miles south of Roanoke.

God bless and keep you.
James,
Can you elaborate upon just exactly what 'resting in Christ' means in relation to the principles that say a strict Sabbatarian may hold to for the Lords day?
 

Blueridge Believer

Puritan Board Professor
James,
Can you elaborate upon just exactly what 'resting in Christ' means in relation to the principles that say a strict Sabbatarian may hold to for the Lords day?
Hello brother Scott. I wish I had the time to write a comprehensive doctrinal treatise on what I believe but time will not allow me to do so. However, the link below is very comprehensive and speaks for me very well. God bless and keep you all.

http://members.toast.net/puritan/Articles/SabbathAndLordsDay_f.htm

Sabbath and the Lord's Day
by Mitch Cervinka


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