Birthday Vs. Lord's Day

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  1. crhoades

    crhoades Puritan Board Graduate

    Not answering for Jenney but for myself, I wouldn't deny what you just wrote. I would only add that just as marriage is a type that points to true union with Christ through faith and we are still to marry because it was a part of creation - thus we are to also observe the Sabbath minus its ceremonial aspects looking forward to our eternal rest and resting in Christ for our justification.
     
  2. jenney

    jenney Puritan Board Freshman

    I am still not seeing how not keeping the day holy is making it more.

    It implies that this:
    "The sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering their common affairs aforehand, do not only observe a holy rest all day, from their own works, words and thoughts, about their worldly employment and recreations, but are also taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of his worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy."

    is making less of the day because we who believe this are somehow not ceasing from our works and trusting in Christ alone for acceptance with God.

    That isn't what you are saying, right? That wouldn't even make sense, so I'm not sure why I'm asking! You can't think that I'm relying on works for my salvation just because I love the Lord's Day. But the article implies that if we do remember the Sabbath and keep it holy that we are merely going to church on Sunday and keeping one day in seven. Which is what confuses me.

    Thanks for your patience! I'm like the Bear of Little Brain.
     
  3. Blueridge Believer

    Blueridge Believer Puritan Board Professor


    I enjoy the Lord's day as much as you. I would not miss an assembly of the saints but under the most extreme duress. However, I do not believe that Sunday, or the Lord's day, is the Sabbath.
     
  4. jenney

    jenney Puritan Board Freshman

    I think I understand your position now.

    When your signature line says you hold to the LBC of 1644/1646, does that mean you do not hold to the LBC of 1689? They aren't mutually exclusive, of course, but they are nearly unrelated and the 1689 doesn't leave any wiggle room wrt the Christian Sabbath.

    I'm asking because my understanding was that joining the board here was essentially an agreement to either the WCF or the LBC-1689. If that were the case, there might be a question of the practical outworking of the Christian Sabbath but not an outright denial of it (as both the LBC-1689 and the WCF are quite clear in their position). And so it surprises me that you would hold to that view and still be here.

    Do you believe we need to obey the Law of God? Or are you dispensational regarding the Ten Commandments?

    If you are weary of answering my questions, you can stop and I won't be offended! I don't want to hijack the thread!

    all the best,
     
  5. Bondman

    Bondman Puritan Board Freshman

    Don't worry about hijacking it.

    Can you show why you hold Sunday as the Sabbath.

    Why is our Sabbath different from the Jewish Sabbath as regards to the strictness of what we are able to do?
     
  6. Blueridge Believer

    Blueridge Believer Puritan Board Professor


    That's fine dear sister. My church actually holds to both the 1689 and the 1646. However, we disagree with the sabbath position in the 1689. As far as the law goes, it is written in our hearts and we delight in it after the inward man. Nothing in the NT gives us the right to live in direct oppostion to the law of God. It is the grace of God that brings salvation that teaches us how to live, denying ungodliness and worldy lust and to live soberly and righteously in this present evil world. As far as the two baptist confessions go, I find that the 1646 presents my view of the doctrines of the faith better.
    However, I am in general agreement with the 1689.
    God bless and keep you!
     
  7. jenney

    jenney Puritan Board Freshman

    yes.

    One reason I don't really want to hijack the thread is that this spinoff doesn't seem to totally belong in this forum the way the original post did. So I would prefer taking it elsewhere and giving it a thread of its own, and one which is more visible to the more articulate (than I) to take up.

    Furthermore, there are really excellent books out there on this subject. Several were listed above and I would recommend them instead of arguing for the position they/I hold, because I am not a very good debater and don't have a lot of time at the computer to maintain the discussion.

    I'm sorry if I've egged on a discussion in which I don't care to participate. That's why I usually avoid the forums outside the family one! :um:

    shalom,
    jenney
     
  8. jenney

    jenney Puritan Board Freshman

    It seems odd to me to delight in the law while breaking it. Or does your church teach that it has just passed away, so it can't be broken?

    Where is Dublin? I used to live in up in Leesburg.
    jenney
     
  9. Blueridge Believer

    Blueridge Believer Puritan Board Professor

    Again dear sister, one keeps the sabbath by resting in Christ. Christ is the sabbath rest. As for keeping the law, no one on earth has ever kept it but Christ. Dublin is about 60 miles south of Roanoke.

    God bless and keep you.
     
  10. Scott Bushey

    Scott Bushey Puritanboard Commissioner

    James,
    Can you elaborate upon just exactly what 'resting in Christ' means in relation to the principles that say a strict Sabbatarian may hold to for the Lords day?
     
  11. Blueridge Believer

    Blueridge Believer Puritan Board Professor

    Hello brother Scott. I wish I had the time to write a comprehensive doctrinal treatise on what I believe but time will not allow me to do so. However, the link below is very comprehensive and speaks for me very well. God bless and keep you all.

    http://members.toast.net/puritan/Articles/SabbathAndLordsDay_f.htm

    Sabbath and the Lord's Day
    by Mitch Cervinka


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