Birthday Vs. Lord's Day

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  1. Bondman

    Bondman Puritan Board Freshman

    My (unbelieving) father's birthday party is this coming up Sunday. Is attending a birthday party on the Lord's Day something that the esteemed members of the PB would have trouble doing?
     
  2. Scott Bushey

    Scott Bushey Puritanboard Commissioner

    Absolutely. Is dad a believer?

    ~In fact, the title says it all.
     
  3. jaybird0827

    jaybird0827 PuritanBoard Honor Roll

    I am certainly no esteemed member of the PB or anything close to it, but in answer to your question, I would strictly avoid such gatherings on the Lord's Day.

    In our own family you always get to choose whether to celebrate on the Saturday prior or Monday following. Mostly we opt for the latter because it gives us something to look forward to.
     
  4. Croghanite

    Croghanite Puritan Board Sophomore

    It is the Lords Day, not your Dads day. I will pray for you good buddy.
     
  5. Herald

    Herald Administrator Staff Member

    Matthew - it is your father...your family. What better act of compassion can you show on the Lord's Day than to model Christ to family that is unsaved? The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. Go to church on Sunday and then meet with your dad and the rest of your family. Perhaps God will use this in His providence to have an effect on your father for the sake of the gospel.
     
  6. Bondman

    Bondman Puritan Board Freshman

    I gotta say, I'm torn. Baptist in Crisis makes a good point. It is lawful to do good on the sabbath, and wouldn't a brief visit to my parents' home and imitating Christ there be a good thing? OTOH, if it is, where does that line of thought ever end? Then we have a sort of good intentions test to see what can be done on the sabbath?

    Here is another one for you guys that think that it would not be honoring to God to visit them:

    Same situation minus the birthday party. Are visits for the sake of visiting ok? Of course, any time a believer visits an unbeliever, he should be looking for opportunities to preach Christ and steer conversation to things above.

    Also, pardon my ignorance and continued questions of this sort. I am newly reformed and my head is spinning with all of the numerous issues that now face me.

    Also, jaybird, you actually are one of the esteemed members. Joe, on the other hand, is not. :wave:
     
  7. Bandguy

    Bandguy Puritan Board Sophomore

    :agree:
     
  8. lv1nothr

    lv1nothr Puritan Board Freshman

    As this has come up in the past with us, we've made it clear that we wouldn't attend any b/day parties or any parties on the Lord's Day, and I must say it's been respected and received better than I thought. I guess they see us practicing what we preach. Even had a family member change a niece's b/day party to a different day, now we've been able to attend! Praise God. He honors His Word.

    As for the Sabbath being made for man and not man for the Sabbath, someone correct me if I am wrong, but I take that to mean that unless the Lord had given man a day set apart for His worship, we would not of ourselves take one! In other words it is His day not ours. :think:

    I pray the Lord would give you grace to honor your earthly father as you strive to honor your Heavenly Father above all!

    Standing ready to be corrected...:D
     
  9. Herald

    Herald Administrator Staff Member

    If this was my father (who is also unsaved) and he was having a birthday party, I would go. Knowing that it is the Lord's Day I would not place my father on a pedestal and take glory away from the Lord. I would go to spend time with my family. Trust me people, none of us know when the Lord is going to require our life. God does not need me to bring my father to faith, but I would like to take advantage of each opportunity to model Christ in front of him.

    If it is okay to pull an ox out of the pit on the sabbath is it not even more permissable to rescue a sinner from hell by proclaiming the gospel? And whether that proclaiming is done from the pulpit of a church or the living sofa, I will take advantage of any and all opportunities.
     
  10. Croghanite

    Croghanite Puritan Board Sophomore

    bill,
    Do you agree with the WCF?

    Mac,
    The party will be a gathering of people profaning Gods commandment to keep the Day Holy. To break a commandment in the name of witnessing is no good and its needless to do. Witness on the other 6 days. Tell your dad how much you love him as you explain the great importance of your convictions. Do it BEFORE the party and in person. BTW I am offended and saddened from your esteemed comment...
    your the horse and thats me with the stick. I will never stop beating, never.:deadhorse:
     
  11. Herald

    Herald Administrator Staff Member

    Joe - I do not subscribe to the WCF. I am in basic agreement with the 1689 LBC. The LBC is similar to the WCF in regards to the sabbath. But I err on the side of mercy and compassion. I am not here to defend how I observe the sabbath. Suffice to say that going to someones home for dinner or even a birthday party is not the norm for us on the Lord's Day. Other than that I am going to refrain from further comments. Each man must act in accord with his conscience on the matter and I do not want to be the cause of my brother to stumble.

    I will add that there seems to be some tension between Mac and yourself. Since you go to the same church, please settle it and don't do it in here.

    Mac, may the Lord call your father to Himself. May he come to know the peace of God and may that be to your joy.
     
  12. Blueridge Believer

    Blueridge Believer Puritan Board Professor

    :agree:

    Go see your Dad on his birthday and pray for him in love and compassion.
     
  13. jaybird0827

    jaybird0827 PuritanBoard Honor Roll

    :think:

    Your kind words toward me notwithstanding, have you given any consideration to the latter comment in the light of such passages as [KJV]Ephesians 4:29[/KJV] and others that may apply?
     
  14. VirginiaHuguenot

    VirginiaHuguenot Puritanboard Librarian

    :agree:
     
  15. LadyFlynt

    LadyFlynt Puritan Board Doctor

    Uhm, I don't know if this was intentional or not...but it came across as an insult. (Giving you a chance here...I know I've been taken wrong other places)
     
  16. ChristopherPaul

    ChristopherPaul Puritan Board Senior

    It seems to be the norm that anytime a discussion is started about obeying God’s Holy Law, people get up in arms and insist that exceptions must be made for the sake of witnessing and loving our neighbor.

    Is not God’s way perfect? Out of gratitude we obey Him; out of a love for Him, we obey. We don’t short change our LORD for the sake of our efforts to further HIS kingdom. His kingdom will be furthered by the witness of His people showing their love by obeying His commands.

    Brother, you have six days to meet with your dad and shoot the breeze as they say with family members. From those six days, 313 days per year, he should be able to see how deeply you love God and you should communicate that that love goes so far that you will not depart from God’s Holy standards even for a birthday party. He should understand, if he doesn’t pray for Him and keep the Lord’s day set apart as Holy. By all means visit and talk with the church, but idle words and worldly chatter will most likely be rampant. God’s way is perfect – keep that in mind and communicate that to your dad. If it is that important to him that you be there, he should have no problem rescheduling the party for the Saturday before or another weekend.

    Don’t send the message to him that your God’s Holy image can be compromised.
     
  17. Kevin

    Kevin Puritan Board Doctor

    I think my Baptist brothers are right on this one.

    I was reading the gospel of John last night to the children and the passage was the healing of the man born blind. This led in our disscusion time to some talk about the sabbath and how Christ's view differed from the Jews. So this has been on my mind this morning.

    Let me just say that the Sabbath was made for man and not the other way around. This is not about "shooting the breeze" with your dad or "witnessing" both of which, as was pointed out above can be done on other days, this is about showing him Honour & Respect. In my humble opinion that is certainly activity for the Sabbath.
     
  18. Blueridge Believer

    Blueridge Believer Puritan Board Professor

    Isn't there some kind of commandment about honoring your father and mother?;)
     
  19. polemic_turtle

    polemic_turtle Puritan Board Freshman

    This is friendly horseplay if I've ever seen any. In the Joe's first response, he said "I will pray for you good buddy." After that, when Mac said the shocking words, he put a waving smiley face, as if to say, "I know your opinion, Joe, good pal.." After that, Joe really brought a smile to my face when he said "BTW I am offended and saddened from your esteemed comment... your the horse and thats me with the stick. I will never stop beating, never. :deadhorse: "

    Oh, hehe.. That's funny. "I will never stop beating, never." BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM...

    I don't think any true animosity has been expressed here.
     
  20. LadyFlynt

    LadyFlynt Puritan Board Doctor

    Obey God rather than man. I believe in honoring parents...but I also believe in honoring God. The sabbath is supposed to be for....
     
  21. LadyFlynt

    LadyFlynt Puritan Board Doctor

    okay...the smiley is why I was willing to err toward the positive.
     
  22. Herald

    Herald Administrator Staff Member

    I sure hope it was horesplay too. That is the problem with message boards. Hard to always convey the correction emotions.

    Looks like we have an even split here on our opinions regarding the sabbath. Baptists on one side and Presbyterians on the other. You'd think this was a credo-paedo thread! :lol:

    Actually the issue is serious but we come down on opposite sides. We should continue to strive for the truth even when we disagree.
     
  23. ChristopherPaul

    ChristopherPaul Puritan Board Senior


    Funny how the clear reading of the fifth commandment is sited against the clear reading of the fourth commandment.
     
  24. ChristopherPaul

    ChristopherPaul Puritan Board Senior

    Yes a division is apparent.

    So for those who take exception to the WCF and the LBCF on the 4th commandment, do you think attending a secular birthday party is sinful to those who do not take exception to the confessions?
     
  25. Blueridge Believer

    Blueridge Believer Puritan Board Professor

    I don't think anyone here would try to bind your conscience brother. I believe Romans 14 would cover this. If it's sin to you don't do it.
     
  26. ChristopherPaul

    ChristopherPaul Puritan Board Senior


    But of course. My point is there are two views on the fourth commandment. What Matthew needs to resolve is his interpretation of the fourth commandment.

    Matthew, do you take exception to the confessions on this point?
     
  27. gwine

    gwine Puritan Board Sophomore

    And what does a clear reading say?
    Do no work. Don't let anyone in your family work. Keep the Sabbath holy. Nothing about getting together with family.
    So let's check out Isaiah.
    Don't go your own way. (Reminds me of a Fleetwood Mac song) Don't seek your own pleasure. Don't talk idly. We can get in more trouble here.

    Well, I might be Presbyterian, but I would still go. I would love to have the chance to get together again with my family and honor my father on his birthday, but he is dead and gone. Granted, family is temporal and heaven is forever, but how you treat your family does have its consequences.
     
  28. Herald

    Herald Administrator Staff Member

    No, I do not believe you (as a WCF'er) would be sinning. Your conscience is convinced that attending such affairs is sinful. Don't attend them.
     
  29. LadyFlynt

    LadyFlynt Puritan Board Doctor

    Gerry, can we take another twist to this "it's about family" and consequences thing? What if it's your kid brother's state football championship? Go to it? Because you know it's a "once in a lifetime thing".

    Seriously, this was an issue I have seen twice. Once in my own life (at the time sports was a forbidden activity altogether by the church...please don't go there, history) and once I've seen in another couple's life where a woman let me know that they are rarely at church at certain times of the year because her boys played xxxx and her hubby felt that was important as a family.
     
  30. Kevin

    Kevin Puritan Board Doctor

    :agree: (with Gerry, Y'all are posting to fast for me ;-) )
     
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