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Is that a joke? Just do kettlebells? How do kettlebells make a manly man? There are plenty pasty, skinny jeans wearing, girly boys who use kettlebells.I referenced AoM because they have good "how-to"s sections. I am not sending people there for indoctrination. I'm basically of the opinion you don't need some Heideggerian "mode-of-being-manly-in-the-world." Just do kettlebells
I referenced AoM because they have good "how-to"s sections. I am not sending people there for indoctrination. I'm basically of the opinion you don't need some Heideggerian "mode-of-being-manly-in-the-world." Just do kettlebells
Is that a joke? Just do kettlebells? How do kettlebells make a manly man?
There are plenty pasty, skinny jeans wearing, girly boys who use kettlebells.
Looks like I overstated.Yep. They do have some good “manly”, prepper, and how-to stuff without going all zombie apocalypse. There are hoards of men <35 years of age who cannot build a basic, yet well rounded enough wardrobe or even shave their blotchy hipster beards very well. AoM is good on those things also.
I did not grow up in church. But if I had joined a church and a soft effeminate pastor tried to tell me about how to be a man when I just left the home of my own father who had me chopping wood and cutting trees and spent summers camping, and who worked outside to build his own barns by hand (with me as slave labor), I would have laughed and laughed.
When I got into missions, several mission execs suggested that silly book "Wild at Heart" by John Eldredge. Yikes.
I am largely cynical about any books or podcasts about manhood, parenting, or marriage from this present generation. If you have to read a book about how to be a man, you've done failed.
I would recommend older books. Or no books at all. Stop reading and start doing. Work out, wrestle or box, master a trade, get close to nature, push yourself, deprive yourself, work hard and long hours without whining, learn hardness. Then use your free time to teach your kids how to camp instead of reading silly books.
I totally understand what you are saying. But a lot of young guys today didn’t have a manly father to teach them what manhood was.
As far as books go, I agree that getting out there and ‘doing’ is essential, and that there are a lot of junk books on the subject.
But, I would still love if a good book was written that defined and discussed manhood from a biblical perspective. Because, 1. I always need more teaching about every topic under the sun; and 2. it’s a glorious topic that is so maligned today, that I would take joy in merely feasting my mind on what true manhood really is. I’m bombarded by false-manhood from the world constantly, and I know that it can affect my thinking.
With all that said, your point of doing rather than reading is well taken. I just want to be sure that what I’m doing and teaching my sons is real manhood, and not an imposter.
Thanks for the encouragement to get out there Perg!
I did not grow up in church. But if I had joined a church and a soft effeminate pastor tried to tell me about how to be a man when I just left the home of my own father who had me chopping wood and cutting trees and spent summers camping, and who worked outside to build his own barns by hand (with me as slave labor), I would have laughed and laughed.
When I got into missions, several mission execs suggested that silly book "Wild at Heart" by John Eldredge. Yikes.
I am largely cynical about any books or podcasts about manhood, parenting, or marriage from this present generation. If you have to read a book about how to be a man, you've done failed.
I would recommend older books. Or no books at all. Stop reading and start doing. Work out, wrestle or box, master a trade, get close to nature, push yourself, deprive yourself, work hard and long hours without whining, learn hardness. Then use your free time to teach your kids how to camp instead of reading silly books.
So, that's all there is to Biblical manhood? Chop fire wood, build barns,learn a trade,wrestle, box? Because if that's the case I nailed that a long time ago. I competed in boxing, jujitsu, and MMA (before gloves were used) for years. I am a frame carpenter, boiler maker, sheet metal man and crane operator. I have camped, fished and hunted and done so with my boys. We have spent time on the mat falling, throwing, choking, learning submissions from each position with the finer points of eye gouging and fish hooking when it's not for sport. And so I am a Biblical man?
I'm glad that your father spent time with you teaching you masculine things. But if he was not a believer ( I am assuming this because you said that you didn't grow up in church) how could he teach you to be a Biblical man? Did he teach you to love your wife as Christ loves the church and laid down His life for her? Did he teach you to pray with and study God's word with her? Did he catechise you and teach you to do the same with your children? Because my father was an unbeliever and he didn't teach me any of those things. He taught me how to drink and ignore my children. He taught me how to lie and blame shift. He taught me how to think of myself first and self love.All of which I am still unlearning and reject by God's grace. He was married 7 times and was probably never faithful to any of his wives. ( This doesn't include live in girl friends.) So, for you and others here to scoff at those of us that may need a little help learning to think as a man, Biblically, lacks godly wisdom and grace in my estimation.
So, that's all there is to Biblical manhood? Chop fire wood, build barns,learn a trade,wrestle, box? Because if that's the case I nailed that a long time ago. I competed in boxing, jujitsu, and MMA (before gloves were used) for years. I am a frame carpenter, boiler maker, sheet metal man and crane operator. I have camped, fished and hunted and done so with my boys. We have spent time on the mat falling, throwing, choking, learning submissions from each position with the finer points of eye gouging and fish hooking when it's not for sport. And so I am a Biblical man?
I'm glad that your father spent time with you teaching you masculine things. But if he was not a believer ( I am assuming this because you said that you didn't grow up in church) how could he teach you to be a Biblical man? Did he teach you to love your wife as Christ loves the church and laid down His life for her? Did he teach you to pray with and study God's word with her? Did he catechise you and teach you to do the same with your children? Because my father was an unbeliever and he didn't teach me any of those things. He taught me how to drink and ignore my children. He taught me how to lie and blame shift. He taught me how to think of myself first and self love.All of which I am still unlearning and reject by God's grace. He was married 7 times and was probably never faithful to any of his wives. ( This doesn't include live in girl friends.) So, for you and others here to scoff at those of us that may need a little help learning to think as a man, Biblically, lacks godly wisdom and grace in my estimation.
I appreciate the "light of nature" argument that Perg is making about manhood.
I learned more about being a man from being a Marine for 21 years than any book will impart.
There's very little in the Scriptures about manhood because it is more like wisdom "caught" than lecturing received.
You see what it looks like to work hard with your hands and not give up. It's refusing to let your children (whether boys or girls) to learn that whining is unacceptable. It's about doing what you require of them.
What the Scriptures teach us principally is how to understand God rightly and take notice of our sin and put it to death. We increasingly see bad assumption we might have assumed (like being macho or overbearing).
The best men are uncompromising but compassionate. They are firm but fair. They are unyielding in their convictions but willing to listen. They don't use their strength as a way to show off but to help the weak. They are willing to stand up to the wicked.
The notion of effeminacy in the ancient world was primarily about an unwillingess to do one's duty. Soft men shirk hard things. It's not about being saved by doing the difficult but it is about knowing what God requires and working tirelessly toward that end.
This past Friday, three of my former Marines walked into a local cigar lounge unexpectedly. It was like a family reunion and we reveled i the things we were able to accomplish. I set out on a vision for something that seemed impossible and they delivered more than I could ever imagine. One of my Marines is now the senior Officer in his specialty. He wasn't my servant but someone I had the privilege to push to new heights. It's so rare to find any place outside of the Marine Corps that trains leaders to be hard and self-sacrificial. I miss it. It's manhood that is developed in the crucible of shared, hard experience.
The ministry can be like that and so can the Church - and it should be. But men have to be willing to do their duty as men. They have to be willing to put in the energy to do the hard work of waking up every day and doing the simple things and not being lazy. As we are pursuing the Lord, He'll take care of putting to death our fleshly attitudes and actions.
So don't go finding manliness in books or movements. Their prescriptions are either stupid or too narrow. Pursue duty where you are and pursue godliness and it will be caught. If you're a man then mentor the young men around you and tell the flannel-wearing, bearded dude to stop promoting a limited set of activities or formulaic teachings as if they have captured the essence of manhood.
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I think you are behind the times culturally. This article shows hipsters are common in Manly https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...s/news-story/f14c368ca72bfc2a21fb5cd69515ec2caren't even manly.
If they are hipsters, they ought to move to Hell, Michigan instead of the town of Manly.I think you are behind the times culturally. This article shows hipsters are common in Manly https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...s/news-story/f14c368ca72bfc2a21fb5cd69515ec2c
I had a chuckle at your Manly. Manly is a nice sea side suburb of Sydney.If they are hipsters, they ought to move to Hell, Michigan instead of the town of Manly.