Scott Bushey
Puritanboard Commissioner
Let me give you an example, as a covenant theologian, I could not in right conscience, remain in a church that was not presbyterian in government nor see the NOT placing of the sign upon my child as a "great sin". I would leave. Thats conviction I am speaking of! Or, a dispensational church. or, a church that has no membership, etc. etc. etc. I have that conviction. RC, obviously does not have the same level of conviction that the FV camp does (in regard to PC-if he is pro PC at all- no one has substantiated anything, just a bunch of hearsay).
The whole point of placing the sign on our children is covenantal. We covenant with Christ and a covenanting community. The community that you are attached to is not a covenantal community. In that, you are not truly covenanting. You may think you are, but in reality, you are not. Think about it this way, Isaac places the sign, and leaves Israel forever. How has he covenanted? or, he has an egyptian place the sign on his child. Where's the covenant community he has covenanted with?
That is one place where we disagree. I go to an independent baptistic Bible church.
Presbyterianism is based upon presbyterian government. That government is biblically based; on covenant. Independancy is (as Fred G. recenly said) an oxymoron!
But my elders let me have my daughters baptized, since that is my conviction.
You as well have PC convictions; will they allow that also? Who is running the church over there? You or them?
And I am OK with that. I think church unity is more important than such questions over baptism and communion.
Ah yes, unity..........You say you hold to the WCF. The WCF calls witholding the sacrament from our children "a great sin", but for the sake of unity, youi will ignore this. Your pastor is independant baptist, one whom holds to 'believers baptism', yet he will forego all his convictions for your conscience. Incredible! And there you have todays problem in the church. Anything goes.
There's also something else to think about: At this time, there are really not any Presbyterian denominations which accept paedocommunion.
Exactly. because it is blatant error.
But with the support that is gradually being gained within the PCA, OPC, etc., that may eventually change.
The only support is rooted generally in FV supporters. No one was talking about this 5 years ago. It is because of FV.
Once there is a critical mass of pro-PC ministers, there may emerge a PC-accepting Presbytery.
I am sure. We have many abberant groups out there even now.
If that happens, you may be surprised at how many PCA, OPC, and other ministers DO change their church affiliations.
I am sure. FV is viral.
Originally posted by PAIN IN THE NECK
As well, all of these things, according to hypercovenantalism, are linked tight;y together. You cannot be FV and not feed your child. You cannot be FV and not have the (mis)understanding of justification that they hold to.
You are incorrect.
Mark Horne is a FV guy. And he is a minister in the PCA church. AND he does NOT practice paedocommunion, even though he believes PC is biblical.
So, being FV does not automatically put someone on a wholly different sacramental plain concerning paedocommunion. It is possible for one of them to remain in the PCA denomination without practicing PC.
I understand. What I mean is that the two go hand in hand.