Bible Presbyterian and Orthodox Presbyterian

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  1. BertMulder

    BertMulder Puritan Board Junior

    In 1936 a breach was made, and the Bible Presbyterian Church split off from the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. After years of working towards this, at the 80th Bible Presbyterian Synod last year the BPC invited the OPC to full communion. This was agreed to at the OPC General Assembly earlier this year, and was ratified yesterday at the BPC synod,.

    Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised!
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  2. Jake

    Jake Puritan Board Junior

    That's great to hear -- thanks for sharing.

    Do you know if this is what an aim of the churches "re"-merging?
  3. Parmenas

    Parmenas Puritan Board Freshman

    All I can say is: Wow, glory and thanks be unto God!

    Psalm 133 (Authorized Version)
    A Song of degrees of David
    1 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
    2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;
    3 As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.
  4. jomawh

    jomawh Puritan Board Freshman

    Does anyone know to what extent the BPC still holds to total abstinence from alcohol and its past amicability towards dispensationalism?
  5. Parmenas

    Parmenas Puritan Board Freshman

    It is my understanding that they are advocates of temperance, but they do not require it, unlike the break-away American Presbyterian Church. They are not dispensationalist, they are historic premillenialist and allow their ministers to hold different eschatological views. This is all according to my small and limited understanding.

    I sure hope they keep this website functioning!
  6. yeutter

    yeutter Puritan Board Senior

    Praise be to God for granting the OPC & BPC brethren charity towards each other despite doctrinal differences.

    Are the Bible Presbyterians making any progress towards reuniting the various Bible Presbyterian bodies? I know that in North America one Presbytery broke away a few years ago. In Singapore and Thailand the Bible Presbyterian congregations, that we have contact with are divided; and were not in fellowship with any of the BPC bodies in North America
  7. Jack K

    Jack K Puritan Board Professor

    That's a very handy resource!
  8. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    There does seem to be an issue with trying to separate Historical pre mil as a viable option among reformed Christians, and Dispensational views, as they seemed to be getting lumped together.
  9. BertMulder

    BertMulder Puritan Board Junior

    As a member and officer in the BPC, I know that it is correct that they do not hold to dispensational views, that therte is freedom for different eschatological views, and that while they advocate temperance, as all reformed churches, they do not dictate abstinence from alcohol.
  10. jomawh

    jomawh Puritan Board Freshman

    As I understand it, historically-speaking what divided the BPC from the OPC were issues over historic premillennialism (with a certain friendliness to dispensationalism) and abstinence from alcohol. I'm glad to hear that the more biblical position is now espoused in the BPC, but that's all I wanted to know.
  11. Cymro

    Cymro Puritan Board Junior

    I think that in Singapore the BPC is of a four pointer persuasion, and of a dispensational complexion. But open to correction if my analysis after repeated visits is wrong,
  12. Doulos McKenzie

    Doulos McKenzie Puritan Board Freshman

    so what exactly is meant by full communion?
  13. Wayne

    Wayne Tempus faciendi, Domine.

    There was a third issue in the 1938 separation that created the BPC, and that was the use of denominational boards.
    The BPC eschewed assembly or Synod-controlled boards and instead set up separate, independent agencies to conduct the various needed ministries.
  14. yeutter

    yeutter Puritan Board Senior

    Bible Presbyterianism in Singapore is complicated. There are more then thirty Bible Presbyterian Churches in Singapore. As Jeff says, Life Bible Presbyterian Church, [the first and largest Bible Presbyterian Church in Singapore,] seems to be moderate dispensationalist and tolerant of "four point Calvinism." Additionally Life Bible Presbyterian Church has adopted a King James only position, very much in line with the Dean Burgeon Society and Dr. D. A. Waite. Life Bible Presbyterian Church is very much committed to the philosophy and apologetics of J. Oliver Buswell and opposed to presuppositionalism. Life Bible Presbyterian Church strongly rejects Pentecostalism. Some other Bible Presbyterian Congregations in Singapore reject the King James only position and are tolerant of Pentecostalism. Some other Bible Presbyterian Congregations rejected Pentecostalism but did not share the King James Only position. These congregations have sought to be consistently reformed and rejected the use of instrumental music. These disputes caused the Singapore Bible Presbyterian Church Presbytery to be dissolved in 1988. This schism has spilled over to Thailand and elsewhere in Southeast Asia.
  15. Edward

    Edward Puritan Board Doctor

    Does this mean that the OPC is moving away from NAPARC?
  16. greenbaggins

    greenbaggins Administrator Staff Member

    Edward, I seriously doubt that the OPC will be moving away from NAPARC anytime soon.
  17. Wayne

    Wayne Tempus faciendi, Domine.

    Edward, would you explain your question? What prompts you to suspect that might happen?
  18. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    While not speaking for Edward, I don't think that is what he is saying. I think it means something like the Bible Presbyterian Church would not join NAPARC, but if the BPC is merging with the OPC, that would mean, for the sake of argument, that the OPC is leaving NAPARC.
  19. Alan D. Strange

    Alan D. Strange Puritan Board Junior

    No, the OPC is not leaving NAPARC. Nor are we contemplating it.

    I was at there at the GA in 1994 in Harvey Cedars, NJ when Rev. Dr. Kevin Backus came to express regret for the break at the 3rd GA (in May 1937) and the desire for rapprochement. Rather complicated circumstances ensued (there was no small dissension over the next years regarding Dr. Backus's mission) and the BP became embroiled in controversy over reestablishing ties.

    After significant battles, Dr. Backus (who has been, as have I, at the GA's in the intervening years) brought this action on behalf of the BP's, worked on by both of our ecumenicity committees, and matters developed as reported above (by brother. Mulder; fyi, I am flying to Calgary tomorrow for Summit 2017). There was rejoicing at our GA (scarcely a dry eye in the house, as we gave a prolonged ovation at this historic moment) and we continue to rejoice in this latest news from the Synod.

  20. bookslover

    bookslover Puritan Board Professor

    With Carl McIntire safely in heaven and, presumably, some of the older BP leaders now also safely ensconced there, it seems that the BPC has been taking the lead to repair some of the ecclesiastical damage done over the last few decades. I'm very glad to see these new developments. Glad to see the OPC and the BPC in full communion once again.

    A good friend of mine is an OPC minister of long standing. He was raised in the BPC and grew up in McIntire's church in New Jersey. I once opined to him, after hearing many stories from him about his BPC years, that McIntire seemed like an independent fundamentalist Baptist disguised as a Presbyterian. He did not disagree.
  21. Jake

    Jake Puritan Board Junior

    The BPC has been an observer at NAPARC many times.
  22. Romans922

    Romans922 Puritan Board Professor

    What does full communion mean? Is BPC merging with OPC? Someone please explain the meaning of this and the details.
  23. BertMulder

    BertMulder Puritan Board Junior

    Full communion means just that, short of merging the denominations.

    "According to our guidelines for ecclesiastical relationships found on our website at Ecclesiastical Fellowship is described as follows: Ecclesiastical Fellowship is a relationship in which the churches involved are Reformed in their confessional standards, church order and life though there may be such differences between them that union is not possible at this time. It is to be implemented where possible and desirable by: a. Exchange of fraternal delegates at major assemblies b. Occasional pulpit fellowship (by local option) c. Intercommunion, including ready reception of each other's members at the Lord's Supper but not excluding suitable inquiries upon requested transfer of membership, as regulated by each session (consistory) d. Joint action in areas of common responsibility e. Consultation on issues of joint concern, particularly before instituting changes in polity, doctrine, or practice that might alter the basis of the fellowship f. The exercise of mutual concern and admonition with a view to promoting Christian unity g. Agreement to respect the procedures of discipline and pastoral concern of one another, h. Exchange of Minutes (Acts) of the major assemblies i. Exchange of denominational church directories (yearbooks) j. Exchange of the most recently published edition of the confessional standards k. Exchange of the most recently published edition of the (Book or Manual of) Church Order l. Exchange of the most recent denominationally published edition of hymnals or Psalters"
  24. Edward

    Edward Puritan Board Doctor

    If the OPC is going into full communion with a non-NAPARC denomination, it certainly strikes me as a legitimate question as to whether that means the OPC is moving away from NAPARC. While not impossible in this context, it is difficult to face two directions at the same time, and it is logical to wonder whether the direction last faced is the direction in which one is heading.

    The question would not have occurred to me if I had read that the BPC was seeking to join NAPARC, but I am surprised that multiple folks can't seem to contemplate the basis of my question. As Chairman Mao taught, "A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step".
  25. Wayne

    Wayne Tempus faciendi, Domine.

    Edward: I'm not being difficult, just dense.

    But given what you've written, what then about OPC involvement in the ICRC, while the PCA eschews that and opts for the WRF?
  26. Contra_Mundum

    Contra_Mundum Pilgrim, Alien, Stranger Staff Member

    The PCA is (or was) in the NAE, while at the same time it is (and was) in NAPARC. Is there the same level of ?! when those two organizations are taken into consideration, relative to the PCA?

    The history of the OPC and the BPC is one of previous unity, and of faction, and division. Time marches on, and the OPC has grown (modestly). Meanwhile, what is left of the BPC--which left the OPC larger than the rump OPC, and is now quite small--is willing to move in the direction of reconciliation. It does so, understanding that the OPC has made other friends in the meantime.

    And the OPC understands this too. It is not aiming at dropping it's other friends, just because a parted brother wants healing--a healing of a serious kind.
  27. Wayne

    Wayne Tempus faciendi, Domine.

    By the way, I applaud the BPC/OPC move towards greater unity in the Gospel.
  28. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    I now caught the connotations of that remark. Just googling some of McIntyre's antics (like when he was forbidden to use any radio stations on land, he rented a ship and parked it off the coast) makes for a fun evening.
  29. Edward

    Edward Puritan Board Doctor

    Well, some might well say that the PCA's ties to the NAE show which way it is facing, and it does appear to be traveling the direction it is facing. So I would take your point as supporting, not undermining, my starting point.

    Probably less telling than the NAE position. But again points up that folks may be facing different directions these days.

    Thanks for addressing my question.
  30. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    They would hold to a Pre Mil viewpoint, but allow for other positions then., correct?
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