Discussion in 'Church History' started by JM, Sep 24, 2008.

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  1. JM

    JM Puritan Board Professor

    Does anyone have suggested (online titles if possible) that cover this controversy in the early Church?

    Thank you.

  2. AThornquist

    AThornquist Puritan Board Doctor

    Yeah, who let white folk into the Church? Or is that Aryanism... :think:
  3. moral necessity

    moral necessity Puritan Board Junior

    Arianism - Research and Read Books, Journals, Articles at Questia Online Library

    The Online Books Page: Studies of Arianism: Chiefly Referring to the Character and Chronology of the Reaction Which Followed the Council of Nicaea, by Henry Melvill Gwatkin

    I have not read these books or articles, so I cannot speak to their quality. But I would think it could be a good place to start. The #9 selection on the first website looks hopeful, as it is from a volumed set on church history. Fairly unbiased, perhaps. Hope these are helpful in some way.

  4. Grymir

    Grymir Puritan Board Graduate

    Eusibius's Church History. Google it and you will find many place's it's online. Great book written by an eyewitness!!!!!!
  5. JM

    JM Puritan Board Professor

    Is there any truth to this statement?

    Indeed, Trinitarian Christianity was literally forced upon the various tribes by the sword. Arianism is interesting and included a large number of tribal groups throughout Europe and North Africa who ascribed themselves to Christianity.​
  6. Christusregnat

    Christusregnat Puritan Board Professor

    Arianism was in favor with most of the civil rulers in the Roman world at the time of the Nicean council. For instance, Athanasius was deposed from his office, and banished by the civil magistrate several times. Arius had the full power of the civil sword, while the orthodox had the power of the Sword of the LORD.

    Also, the idea that Constantine or Charlemagne used the sword to advance the faith is naive, or a simple lie. The patience of Charlemagne with the Germanic peoples was great, and his employment of the sword was only after several failed attempts to get them to quit incest, canibalism and human sacrifice. Also, it downplays the roles played by simple missionaries, such as Boniface:

    Saint Boniface - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Read in particular about "Thor's Oak".

  7. turmeric

    turmeric Megerator

    The Franks were simply imposing the morality which the pagan Roman empire would have imposed. The Gauls and Celts had already been forced by the pagan empire to give up human sacrifice when they were conquered before. Charlemagne was simply extending the empire - now considered the Holy Roman Empire - farther.

    Boy, my European History is rusty! I wonder, do they teach that in schools anymore?
  8. Thomas2007

    Thomas2007 Puritan Board Sophomore

    Foundations of Social Order by RJ Rushdoony
  9. kvanlaan

    kvanlaan Puritan Board Doctor

    Local legend has it that they ate at least part of St Boniface. It's an old Frisian tale that my father told me. :lol:
  10. D

    D Puritan Board Junior

    The very best book I've read on this subject from a historical perspective is The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God: The Arian Controversy 318-381 by R. P. C. Hanson. It is published by T & T Clark Ltd., and is 931 pages in length. It is the most exhaustive modern day treatment of which I am aware. Hanson was an Anglican, and a very good historian, though admittedly does not represent the kind of theological conservatism to which many of us here would adhere. But on this subject, his historical work is first rate.

    Granted, it cannot be obtained online, but for the serious student on this subject I regard it as a necessity.

  11. BertMulder

    BertMulder Puritan Board Junior

    No, not here in Canada (they don't even teach a systematic Canadian history), and not in the Netherlands either... at least not the way they used to, as it is not politically correct...

    People that forget their history are doomed to repeat it...
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