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Originally posted by Paul manata
I was reading Bavink and he said both are false.
Originally posted by puritansailor
Perhaps to clarify somethings here. The decree to reprobate is not the same as condemnation. Reprobation is God's sovereign choice to reject some. Condemnation is God ruling in regards to sin. So as one who leans supra, I have know problem saying, you will go to hell because of your sins. You stand condemned and responsible for your actions. Because God soveriegnly rejected them, it has no bearing on whether they are responsible for their actions, which is why they are condemned and sent to hell. They have meritted the wrath of God regardless of the eternal decree. The objections raised against supra thus far are the same that Arminians raise against all Calvinists. And I think the response is the same as well.
The objections raised against supra thus far are the same that Arminians raise against all Calvinists. And I think the response is the same as well.
Originally posted by puritansailor
The objections raised against supra thus far are the same that Arminians raise against all Calvinists. And I think the response is the same as well.
Originally posted by fredtgreco
Originally posted by puritansailor
Perhaps to clarify somethings here. The decree to reprobate is not the same as condemnation. Reprobation is God's sovereign choice to reject some. Condemnation is God ruling in regards to sin. So as one who leans supra, I have know problem saying, you will go to hell because of your sins. You stand condemned and responsible for your actions. Because God soveriegnly rejected them, it has no bearing on whether they are responsible for their actions, which is why they are condemned and sent to hell. They have meritted the wrath of God regardless of the eternal decree. The objections raised against supra thus far are the same that Arminians raise against all Calvinists. And I think the response is the same as well.
Patrick,
You are begging the question. Reject to what? Hell, is the obvious answer. Reprobation is the consignment to eternal punishment of a certain portion of the human race (not contemplated as individuals in the supra scheme)
Originally posted by Infralap
Are there any advantges to sharing the gospel from a Supra position? Could being a Supra robbed you of the Love of God and diminish the atonement of Christ? ...
This are some of the questions that come into my mind of why I am not a Supra...
Yours in Christ
Infralap
That covenant was made in that manner so that Christ could fulfill all righteousness for us where Adam failed to do so.Originally posted by bigheavyq
Infra definitely, not just because of what has been mentioned as far as God's justice, but because of covenant. The Edenic Covenant has a certain advantage point inherent in it. It's Paradise. The New Heavens and Earth are Paradise Restored. The Edenic Covenant is a Blueprint for dominion. Before the fall, God had a plan laid in this covenant. Yes, God knew Adam would fall, but this Covenant is there for a reason. Infralapsarianism is implied in the creation order.
Being Supra never stopped Rutherford, Bunyan, Twisse, or Love from sharing the gospel.Originally posted by Infralap
Are there any advantges to sharing the gospel from a Supra position? Could being a Supra robbed you of the Love of God and diminish the atonement of Christ? ...
This are some of the questions that come into my mind of why I am not a Supra...
Yours in Christ
Infralap
Originally posted by puritansailor
Being Supra never stopped Rutherford, Bunyan, Twisse, or Love from sharing the gospel.Originally posted by Infralap
Are there any advantges to sharing the gospel from a Supra position? Could being a Supra robbed you of the Love of God and diminish the atonement of Christ? ...
This are some of the questions that come into my mind of why I am not a Supra...
Yours in Christ
Infralap
Originally posted by puritansailor
That covenant was made in that manner so that Christ could fulfill all righteousness for us where Adam failed to do so.Originally posted by bigheavyq
Infra definitely, not just because of what has been mentioned as far as God's justice, but because of covenant. The Edenic Covenant has a certain advantage point inherent in it. It's Paradise. The New Heavens and Earth are Paradise Restored. The Edenic Covenant is a Blueprint for dominion. Before the fall, God had a plan laid in this covenant. Yes, God knew Adam would fall, but this Covenant is there for a reason. Infralapsarianism is implied in the creation order.
Originally posted by fredtgreco
Originally posted by puritansailor
Being Supra never stopped Rutherford, Bunyan, Twisse, or Love from sharing the gospel.
Yes, and that blessed inconsistency (which happily describes most supralapsarians) is what makes this issue not so important.
Originally posted by fredtgreco
It is my contention that the Confession is implicitly infra. (By the way, that is Derek Thomas' position as well)
Originally posted by fredtgreco
Thanks for the link Ricky. I agree with the author's take on Reymond as well.
Originally posted by webmaster
This may be of help:
Diversity Within the Reformed Tradition: Supra- and Infralapsarianism in Calvin, Dort, & Westminster
By John V. Fesko
Originally posted by Jeff_Bartel
I am a "modified" supralapsarian. I believe it takes care of all of the charges the infralapsarians pose to the traditional "supra" AND is the only position based upon logical reasoning.