yeah, so he is saying that God is outside of time and therefore his decisions are chronological, which I think we agree with? But since they aren't chronological there is no cause and effect. For instance election and saving grace don't have a cause and effect relationship. That is what he is saying. So to defend it I started to get backed up into heresy by suggesting maybe God does have time in his realm because obviously election is the cause of saving grace. So I'm curious what a non-heretical argument is. So i think my friend is saying that sense God's decisions aren't chronological ordered they aren't logically ordered.