I'll give the OP a longer response since he is a believer and from what I can gather..not a troll. I can't say much for the Vegan presence online. I find them a menace due to their religiosity and coercive tendencies. There is a treatment of animals that falls under the duty of stewardship and obedience to the Lord's Day. This doesn't demand abstinence from consuming animal product. Furthermore, less than ideal or even poor conditions of livestock are less important than the life and health to those unable to afford higher quality and more ethically (whatever definition) raised animals. Vegan activists have little to offer other than time and left-wing environmental activism to support their agenda. They certainly don't have science. Every human society since the the Fall, has been omnivore to some extent. I'll concede there are illnesses that make the digestion of animal product a challenge, even a debilitating challenge for some. However, there are few in that category and they require well planned supplementation. I prefer grass-fed meat, free range chicken, hormone free pork, wild-caught fish, and raw dairy products yet finances and availability consistently push back against those options. Anything by farmer/rancher Joel Salatin is worth reading. He is a self-described Christian, Libertarian lunatic. What's not to like? Just google his name. Foolish and crony laws contribute to the high cost of this. Many of the reasons for the higher cost of this that are because of farm subsidies. Subsidies that encourage cheap grain to feed livestock that isn't designed for grain. Also, how many egg carton of 'free range hens' say 'vegetarian fed.' Hello! Birds require bugs as well as seeds. This omission leads to a horrible Omega 3 to Omega 6 ratio in even free range chickens. As far as hunting as concerned, I've did a lot of it. Mainly in my youth. I wouldn't mind doing so now but time and opportunities are hard to come by. I'm not of the 'hunting should be only for food' camp though it is wasteful not to eat what you kill or find someone who will. We've known since the 1980s much of the foreign aid with food and money ends up in the hands of corrupt officials and wasted. That's why there is chronic starvation in those countries to begin with. The late Hugo Chavez and his successors have starved Venezuela. They ran out all of the producers. Not 'the West' or bad weather. Natural food disasters recover much quicker. It has to rain or stop raining sometime. In conclusion I also believe in the industrial revolution and the division of labor. Farmers and ranchers are now able to raise enough food with 1/100 the manpower it took in past centuries. We can now transport food from more profitable areas to areas unable to grow and raise food. This is a win. Starvation is asymptotically approaching eradication in the West. Huge strides are being made in India and China as well. When the real cost of food has dropped so much and feeds so many people we should count it as a win when we start talking about what animals may think of it and a better life for them.