Annual Presbyterians Do Not Celebrate Lent Thread

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  1. Backwoods Presbyterian

    Backwoods Presbyterian Puritan Board Doctor

  2. Rufus

    Rufus Puritan Board Junior

    Last year was the first time I realized that some Protestants do celebrate Lent and I thought it was well, kinda weird.
     
  3. Tim

    Tim Puritan Board Graduate

    I don't even know what Ash Wednesday is supposed to be....
     
  4. MLCOPE2

    MLCOPE2 Puritan Board Junior

    Nope, not celebrating that one either.
     
  5. E Nomine

    E Nomine Puritan Board Freshman

    Too bad there's not an equally fervent "Presbyterians Do Not Celebrate Halloween" sentiment on the PB.

    Papist traditions? Clearly wrong.

    Satanic traditions? Lighten up, the kids are just having fun.
     
  6. Romans922

    Romans922 Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    What's lent? I don't see that in my Bible. What's this ash wednesday stuff. I don't see any ashes falling out of the sky from a volcano or anything. Is it to symbolize judgment? Judgment is coming? :p
     
  7. Rufus

    Rufus Puritan Board Junior

    Here's what Wikipedia has to say:

    Anybody know where and Ash Wednesday started?
    Or how the Reformers and later the Puritans treated it?
     
  8. M21195

    M21195 Puritan Board Freshman

    Papist nonsense! (I've always wanted to say that...)
     
  9. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    I suppose the ashes come in because lent doesn't stick to the forehead so well.:)
     
  10. sastark

    sastark Puritan Board Graduate

    If I understand the historical arguments correctly, Lent is the season on the ecclesiastical calendar, during which the College of Cardinals removes short, fine fibers that separate from the surface of cloth from the Pope's dryer in the Vatican. It takes 40 days to remove it all--since the Pope lets it build up all year in anticipation of this celebration.
     
  11. Rufus

    Rufus Puritan Board Junior

    Should be more careful of dryer fires.
     
  12. Believer1993

    Believer1993 Puritan Board Freshman

    So, I'm gonna take a lot of flak for this, but I am going to celebrate Lent. I saw on one of the previous threads that Lent seemed like work righteousness. I don't see it that way. I'm using it as a time to recommit myself to reading the Scriptures, praying, and going to church. For me it's like a New Year's Resolution. Granted. many make light of the practice by giving up sweets, or something menial and secular. It makes the practice about self-control and not about drawing closer to God. Furthermore, giving up sweets, etc. and eating them after 40 days seems silly. Just go on a diet if that's what you want. Now, the Catholic Church also corrupts the practice by binding it on the conscience of Catholics. If there are those that don't wish to practice Lent that is fine and I don't see a problem with that. At the same rate, if someone wants to fast, pray, read the BIble, etc. during the period I don't see any harm in that either. Why should these 40 days be off limits for the Biblical practice of fasting because the Catholic Church has abused the days?
     
  13. Philip

    Philip Puritan Board Graduate

    Here are my thoughts:

    As with any feast or season on the traditional church calendar, I think that Lent can be useful for a Christian, provided that one is not judging those who, for whatever reason, do not see fit to observe it. Lent is a matter or Christian freedom and personal devotional exercise and should be judged as such.

    I will say, though, that I've found it helpful not to let anyone know about things I give up (or don't) for Lent because I don't want to let it become a matter of works-righteousness, which it can very easily become. If I fast during this time, it should be between myself and God.
     
  14. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    Exactly because it has been notoriously abused to idolatry and will worship and why in the world would we want take our agenda for personal piety let alone corporate worship, from idolaters?
     
  15. JoannaV

    JoannaV Puritan Board Sophomore

    Oooh that means today is pancake day.
     
  16. Backwoods Presbyterian

    Backwoods Presbyterian Puritan Board Doctor

    One of the downsides of moving down here is there are little to no Romanists around to fill my belly with their delicious fish fries.
     
  17. Believer1993

    Believer1993 Puritan Board Freshman

    Throughout human history I'm sure most days have been used as religious holidays to worship false gods. Personally I don't see why a Christian can't do something Biblical because another institution uses the same period in a grossly unGodly way. Should Christians not fast during Ramadan because the Muslims do? Again, if you don't want to that's fine. You have the freedom to abstain from the practice.
     
  18. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    We do so because we have a scriptural rule or precedent if you will for how to treat idolatrous practices. WE PUT THEM AWAY! So they are not a further stumbling block, or lure back to idolatry and will worship.
     
  19. Jack K

    Jack K Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    I've never observed Lent and don't plan to, but how would doing so as a private time of devotion be a violation of the regulative principle? Doesn't that principle apply only to worship services, not to our whole-life worship?

    I can see other good reasons to refrain, but your comment made me wonder what reasoning you're using.
     
  20. Rich Koster

    Rich Koster Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    The bronze serpent even had to be destroyed, due to idolatry, and that was previously commanded.
     
  21. jogri17

    jogri17 Puritan Board Junior

    Halloween is not mandated by any ecclestiacal tradition, so I see nothing wrong with subversing it and enjoying it (this is to say enjoying the candy!)

    Ash Wednasday is mandated by many professing Christian traditions, so I refuse to participate as a sign of my Christian liberty in Christ. If the practice was optional accross the board, I'd probably do it, but given my Roman Catholic Context, I will not do it here.
     
  22. Bill The Baptist

    Bill The Baptist Puritan Board Senior

    Yes, dryers are dangerous. The Snuggle bunny once got his foot caught in a lint trap and had to gnaw it off to escape.

    ---------- Post added at 05:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:21 PM ----------

    That's Papostersous!
     
  23. Marrow Man

    Marrow Man Drunk with Powder

    What's an "Annual Presbyterian"? A Presbyterian who only attends church once a year? And is it anything like a "Great Commission Baptist"?

    On a related noted, we are thinking of having an annual sausage and hotdog roast on Fridays at the church during this time of the year. Fish signs are everywhere around here (including the fast food restaurants). Figure we should have an alternative. Ya'll are all invited.

    Someone once asked me (in seminary no less) what I was giving up for Lent. I replied, "Romish holidays." That didn't go over too well.
     
  24. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    Here is the rule I was referring to as explained and defended by George Gillespie; I commend the whole chapter from his book Dispute Against the English Popish Ceremonies but see snippets I've given in earlier threads:
    http://www.puritanboard.com/f67/sign-cross-71095/#post910124
    http://www.puritanboard.com/f67/what-do-monuments-past-idolatry-church-64808/

     
  25. sastark

    sastark Puritan Board Graduate

    My standard reply is "Papal superstition." It's not always well received.
     
  26. J. Dean

    J. Dean Puritan Board Junior

    Yes, but in fairness it is far different than the celebration of the Roman Catholic church.

    That being said, as with many other elements of Rome, when tradition is elevated to the level of Scripture, it becomes a snare to the Christian.
     
  27. Afterthought

    Afterthought Puritan Board Junior

    Although, shouldn't there be a distinction made between those who celebrate Lent by fasting and those who happen to be fasting at the time of Lent? The latter could just as well fast at the time of Lent or otherwise but decided--for reasons not having to do with Lent being at that time--to fast at that time, whereas the former chose to fast because it was the time of Lent. Although, I suppose one would want to be careful anyway to make sure he or she is not misunderstood by others to be fasting for Lent. :think:
     
  28. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    I think your answered your own question.
     
  29. GulfCoast Presbyterian

    GulfCoast Presbyterian Puritan Board Junior

    Drive a mere 100 miles south. We are over run with Papists. They badger us every Thursday to support this or that KC/St. Vincent de Paul, etc. fish fry.
     
  30. Backwoods Presbyterian

    Backwoods Presbyterian Puritan Board Doctor

    Good to know. Be down Friday. :)
     
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