Accurately understanding "Reformed continuationism"

Discussion in 'Pneumatology' started by Moses Costigan, Mar 1, 2018.

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  1. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    He is saying I don't want you to lack in any gift until Jesus returns. Let's say that one of the Corinthians lived to 97 A.D., after Revelation was finished. Would his gift suddenly cease?
     
  2. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    This happens on the mission field on a routine basis. It's not hypothetical. But even if it were it wouldn't be a problem, since hypotheticals is how we flesh out a position.
    My praying for a missionary builds up the church.
     
  3. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    Remember Calvinist Evangelism 101: God ordains not only the ends, but also the means.
     
  4. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    And I would agree. And I think many continuationists would as well. The problem is that "revelation" is such a loaded term. But in any case the Spirit is imparting knowledge to you that is not found in the closed canon.
     
  5. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    I also reject any modern Apostles/Prophets, but many are claiming to be speaking for God today, and their message must always be lined up against the scriptures.
     
  6. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    You would then say modern Day prophets in the Church, with infallible revelations from the Lord?
     
  7. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    That is not though what modern Charismatics are claiming, as they indeed do see God giving forth doctrines and theology from so called Apostles and Prophets today.
     
  8. Jeri Tanner

    Jeri Tanner Moderator Staff Member

    Again, I disagree that the verse must of necessity be saying that, and still think Paul is saying two things- that through God’s grace they do not come short in any gift, and that in this state they are eagerly awaiting the Lord’s return. So I guess we both have simply an opinion. But perhaps someone on the board who knows Greek can offer something.

    No, I think the necessity of the extraordinary gifts faded away, maybe with the end of that generation.


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  9. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    They faded away due to them having accomplished what God intended for them to do when he had them in operation in the Church.
     
  10. Jeri Tanner

    Jeri Tanner Moderator Staff Member

    I think the way a cessationist would frame it wouldn’t be that God is imparting knowledge, but simply that he brings someone to mind; but it’s his providence, and how God works in these ways is every bit as wonderful as the extraordinary workings in the times of the apostles. He causes all things to work together for the good...


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  11. Puritan Sailor

    Puritan Sailor Puritan Board Doctor

    The command for validation is in 1 Corinthians 14:29-32, "Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent. For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged, and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets."

    As to what specific criteria they used in the moment? I don't know. We can infer from other passages that the apostolic testimony and authority was one criteria (1 Cor 14:37-38, Gal 1:8). The OT Scriptures were another standard at hand (2 Tim 3:16). But "the ability to distinguish between spirits" (1 Cor 12:10) was also a gift listed with the other revelatory gifts. It seems to me at least, that the prophets were exercising that gift as they would "weigh what is said".

    The important point though is that it was "prophets" who did this work during the worship service. In order for prophets to continue today, you must have some sort of prophetic succession in place to validate the new prophets and prophecies which emerged for the last 2000 years. And we are not given any instructions about such a succession. The prophets are called "the foundation" of the church with the apostles and Christ. They are linked together (as noted previously). But we are not told to look for anymore after this period. We are only told to look for elders and deacons.

    We have a burst of revelatory gifts and offices after Pentecost, but no criteria or instructions on how to maintain them once the apostles have died, or how to revive them if these offices have disappeared.

    As I said earlier, either we have been living in perpetual disobedience for the last 1900 years, or some of these offices and gifts were only designed to be transitional during the time of the apostles.
     
  12. Cedarbay

    Cedarbay Puritan Board Freshman

    Well said, Jeri. I believe that since, the effectual prayer of a righteous man availeth much, James 5:16, that the author of this prayer is the Holy Spirit himself. If so, when someone is brought to our mind/heart, it is the work of the Spirit, per Scripture. I am humbled by this every day.
     
  13. Bill The Baptist

    Bill The Baptist Puritan Board Graduate

    You have held us all to some pretty high standards in terms of arguments, which I have appreciated, but now you appeal to an imaginary set of standards. I am disappointed, sir o_O
     
  14. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    I literally heard that from R.C. Sproul in Sunday School tape a few weeks ago.
     
  15. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    Your first two paragraphs are great. I agree with them 100%. Your third paragraph doesn't follow, though. And I dont' see Paul's command to a community of prophets, for in the verse he says (to the whole church),

    ***For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged, and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets."***
     
  16. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    His bringing it to mind gives you knowledge of a new situation.
     
  17. Jeri Tanner

    Jeri Tanner Moderator Staff Member

    No, I’m not saying that we have any information. Just a desire to pray for someone.


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  18. Jeri Tanner

    Jeri Tanner Moderator Staff Member

    With Paul, “all” so often doesn’t mean everyone. It’s all of a certain group. In this case, all the prophets. “Do all (everyone in the church) prophesy?” (No.)


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  19. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    I don't see the evidence for its being a sub-group of officers, which makes sense, since Phillip's daughters were prophets but we don't want to grant them official authority in the church.
     
  20. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    The newly-found desire to pray *is* information.
     
  21. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    I want to thank everyone for their back and forth. I doubt I will be able to keep up much more on this particular thread. I have several biblical languages projects I am working on right now (Lord willing, I will post a review on one tomorrow).
     
  22. Bill The Baptist

    Bill The Baptist Puritan Board Graduate

    Yes I agree that we have taken this as far as we can possibly go. As for myself, I am currently in a hospital room recovering from surgery, so I lack the energy to continue anyway. It has been fun though.
     
  23. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    I wonder if we answered the OP's original question. LOL.
     
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    With that, this thread is closed.
     
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