A time for choosing.

Which one?

  • Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary

    Votes: 25 78.1%
  • Covenant Theological Seminary

    Votes: 1 3.1%
  • RTS Charlotte

    Votes: 5 15.6%
  • Erskine

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Total voters
    32

TheBruisedReed

Puritan Board Freshman
Ladies and Gentlemen of the PB,

I covet your input regarding a couple of seminaries. In an effort to keep it unbiased, I will only offer that I have been accepted to both for the MDiv. Let's pretend for a moment that financing, relocation, etc., are not an issue. Just a vote based on a bare bones opinion of the seminary, and any comments are most welcome. Thanks!
 

arapahoepark

Puritan Board Graduate
I have been hearing from others more acquainted with the institution that Covenant has turned into a bastion of 'wokism,' especially in its systematics department.
 

kodos

Puritan Board Junior
Just graduated from RPTS. Good things are happening under Dr. York's leadership. Almost makes me wish I could have stayed longer for the taste I have gotten from the new professors (esp. Dr. Whitla, Dr. Stivason, and Prof. Evans). Almost.
 

ZackF

Puritan Board Graduate
Just graduated from RPTS. Good things are happening under Dr. York's leadership. Almost makes me wish I could have stayed longer for the taste I have gotten from the new professors (esp. Dr. Whitla, Dr. Stivason, and Prof. Evans). Almost.
Congratulations!!
 

lynnie

Puritan Board Graduate
I have been hearing from others more acquainted with the institution that Covenant has turned into a bastion of 'wokism,' especially in its systematics department.
That is so depressing. I hope it is exaggerated criticism, or that it is being fought by other faculty and admin. But I have no reason to doubt it. Ugh.
 

Wretched Man

Puritan Board Freshman
I live in St Louis (area) and was considering Covenant Seminary... however I believe it has unfortunately been corrupted almost beyond repair. I’ve visited several PCA churches in the area and was thoroughly disgusted by most of them, which seem heavily influenced by their flagship seminary.

"Woke" systematic theology? How does that work?
Just look up Mike Higgins who is their dean of students. And then look up his daughter, Michelle Higgins...

If anyone has attended it recently though, I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on it. (If this Covid fiasco doesn’t fade soon and I inevitably get laid off, I may reconsider since I have some GI Bill funds to spend on further education.)
 
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LadyCalvinist

Puritan Board Junior
I also live in the St. Louis area and have heard some alarming things about Covenant Seminary. While there are good people there there are also problems. Wasn't the Revoice Conference there? When I first moved to St. Louis I heard that, for various reasons, the PCA churches were not sound doctrinally. Someone at an OPC Church told me that he had been at a PCA church in St. Louis and the pastor had talked more about Seinfeld in his sermon than the gospel. He did not return to that church.
I am currently a member of an EPC church, which seems decent enough though it is more broadly evangelical than Reformed. There is a good OPC church in the St. Charles area that I have been to several times. The associate pastor is the producer of the White Horse Inn.

Hope this helps.
 
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C. M. Sheffield

Puritan Board Senior
Ladies and Gentlemen of the PB,

I covet your input regarding a couple of seminaries. In an effort to keep it unbiased, I will only offer that I have been accepted to both for the MDiv. Let's pretend for a moment that financing, relocation, etc., are not an issue. Just a vote based on a bare bones opinion of the seminary, and any comments are most welcome. Thanks!
I would avoid Covenant for the same reasons mentioned by others. I have no knowledge of RPTS, so I can't say anything one way or the other. What I can say (without the slightest tinge of bias) is Covenant Baptist Theological Seminary (ARTS accredited) is excellent and we'd be very happy to have you study with us. But if that doesn't interest you, I'd definately recommend PRTS and GPTS. I'd say the one thing Greenville has over PRTS is that. . . well. . . it's in the promised land and not in Michigan. ;)
 
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Wretched Man

Puritan Board Freshman
There is an good OPC church in the St. Charles area that I have been to several times. The associate pastor is the producer of the White Horse Inn.
Yes, Christ Presbyterian Church in St. Charles is what you’re referring to. Shane Rosenthal (now also the host of WHI) is the associate pastor and they just got a new senior pastor who so far seems very solid. I know many in the congregation are former PCA members who simply couldn’t stomach the PCA churches in this area.
 

Jake

Puritan Board Junior
Just curious: why these two? I don't know that either are a popular choice for ARP ministers, assuming you want to be ordained in your current denomination. I'd like to think RPTS would become a more popular choice as we form closer bonds with the RPCNA, but it seems RTS and Erskine are the "go to"s.
 

TheBruisedReed

Puritan Board Freshman
Just curious: why these two?
Good question! Both of these seminaries allow you to begin the MDiv program online (complete it residentially) and both schools meet a lot of the needs of a military/veteran student such as myself. I am banking quite heavily on using my GI Bill as well as some other military benefits in order to pay for a good amount of the program. So, the ability to start online and use my military perks are great options for someone still on active duty.
 

TheBruisedReed

Puritan Board Freshman
I don't know that either are a popular choice for ARP ministers, assuming you want to be ordained in your current denomination.
Also, my wife and I ended up in the ARP because that was the "closest to home" we could find when we relocated last year, due to military obligations. We were originally in the OPC.
 

Edward

Puritanboard Commissioner
Just a vote based on a bare bones opinion of the seminary, and any comments are most welcome.
I you are woke and feel called to social justice minsitry, definitely go with Covenant. And you could attend a PCA in St. Louis with an openly homosexual pastor. You could avoid the old constructs such as seminaries having a Systematic Theology department.

If that sounds like what you are looking for, you've found the right place.
 

kodos

Puritan Board Junior
I met David a few times when he was over here.
His brother in law is joining our congregation. I enjoyed spending time with him in his office discussing preaching. He is a great lecturer. Very thorough. Very pastoral.

He urged me to consider spending time with the works of John Newton (you might appreciate that).
 

wcf_linux

Puritan Board Freshman
As someone who has lived in both places, Pittsburgh > Saint Louis in general. :)

There are good PCA churches in Saint Louis, but it can be a hard presbytery to do candidacy especially as someone who's even moderately confessionalist.

We visit did visit Christ Presbyterian Church a couple times, and it is a great place.

Don't have the same amount of experience in Pittsburgh, but there are several strong PCA, OPC, and RP congregations here.
 

yeutter

Puritan Board Senior
Just look up Mike Higgins who is their dean of students. And then look up his daughter, Michelle Higgins...
I think it was four years ago that Michelle Higgins spoke at the Intervarsity Christian Fellowship's Urbana Conference.
That was when I first became aware of how really serious the problems were in both the PCA, and IVCF. I thought the aftermath of Michelle Higgins remarks would lead both the PCA and IVCF to wake up and mend their ways. I was wrong.
As an outsider looking in, I hear good things about Reformed Presbyterian. I hear things that trouble me about Covenant.
In God's providence we have witnessed a spectacular growth of Ratio Christi chapters on University campuses. We have not seen the same kind of growth in IVCF
 

Susan777

Puritan Board Sophomore
I have been hearing from others more acquainted with the institution that Covenant has turned into a bastion of 'wokism,' especially in its systematics department.
I think I read that they renamed their systematics department a year or so ago. Now it’s something “missional” but I can’t remember the exact name they chose.
 

Edward

Puritanboard Commissioner
I think I read that they renamed their systematics department a year or so ago. Now it’s something “missional” but I can’t remember the exact name they chose.
I read on their website that they teach some Sytematic Theology classes in their "Missional Theology" Division.
 

Edward

Puritanboard Commissioner
And also Erskine!
Erskine had some issues a few years ago, but it seemed to this outsider to be more personalities and power struggle rather than theolgically based. My recollectiois that the bloc in control retained their power, with some cosmetic changes and the lid got put back on the pot. (Some of the ARPers will likely show up to take me to task for that summary.)

That being said, it looks like you are in ARP, and it would have a lot to recommend it if you anticipate seeking a call in that denomination.

That being said, I clicked on RTS Charlotte in the poll and would likely look better for non-ARP opportunities although Erskine should not prove problematical for most conservative to moderate presbyterian bodies.
 

arapahoepark

Puritan Board Graduate
I know next to nothing of Erskine other than its counseling program is seeking accreditation (I looked for a friend in SC) All I can say is that it depends on your costs, where you want to live/proximity, and the denominations you want to get into. RTS is the reformed 'ecumenical' one. By that I mean its not necessarily specific to a specific NAPARC denomination like the others. So its hard to go wrong there, plus Dr. Kruger is a leading authority on the formation of the Canon.
That said, you couldn't go wrong with RPTS, RTS, or ES, only Covenant.
 

TheBruisedReed

Puritan Board Freshman
I do believe I will be going with RTS Charlotte. Three separate elders, to include my current ARP pastor, have all recommended it. It's also very close to my parents. Being a military guy, I haven't lived near them for about a decade and I'm ready for that to change.
 
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