Can anyone of you please tell me if Augustine ever said this:"He who created us without our help will not save us without our consent". I ran across this in an old pamplet put out by Woodrow Knoll of the "Back To The Bible" fame. If this is an accurate quote from Augustine, what writing did it come out of. I would like to know because, from everything I know about Augustine, it looks like it has been intentally taken out context. Once again, I am in debt to you all. Bob Chapman