A Poll for Presbyterians (Sorry, Baptists!)

Discussion in 'Church Order' started by bookslover, Apr 14, 2008.

  1. Divine Right

    39 vote(s)
    63.9%
  2. Best System

    22 vote(s)
    36.1%
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  1. bookslover

    bookslover Puritan Board Doctor

    OK, fellow Presbyterians: are you a divine right Presbyterian - meaning that you believe that Presbyteriansim is the only system of church government taught in the Scriptures, or are you a best system Presbyterian - meaning that you believe that Presbyteriansim is just the "best system" of church government (of several) taught in the Bible?
     
  2. raekwon

    raekwon Puritan Board Junior

    Where's the "neither" option? ;-)

    (Not joking, despite the winky.)
     
  3. Devin

    Devin Puritan Board Sophomore

    I voted anyways! We Baptists will not be ignored! (j/k) ;)
     
  4. Puritan Sailor

    Puritan Sailor Puritan Board Doctor

    I believe that Presbyterianism is the biblical system revealed to us. But that doesn't mean our modern versions of Presbyterianism best reflect NT Presbyterianism. There's always work to be done to improve.
    :2cents:
     
  5. fredtgreco

    fredtgreco Vanilla Westminsterian Staff Member

    Absolutely.
     
  6. Grymir

    Grymir Puritan Board Graduate

    Best System, but I don't believe there are several forms taught in the Bible.
     
  7. bookslover

    bookslover Puritan Board Doctor

    There ain't none, Rae. I figure most Presbyterians are gonna pick one or the other...
     
  8. bookslover

    bookslover Puritan Board Doctor

    This is the trouble with Baptists. They're always so cantankerous! :lol:
     
  9. bookslover

    bookslover Puritan Board Doctor

    I agree! Though I'd say that the OPC comes pretty close, more or less.
     
  10. bookslover

    bookslover Puritan Board Doctor

    By several forms, I meant basically including Congregationalism and Episcopalianism...
     
  11. Grymir

    Grymir Puritan Board Graduate

    oh O.K., that makes sense. That's a toughy, especially since I know Church History all to well, but, that's also why I think Presbyterianisnm is best.

    Nice Poll! - Grymir
     
  12. Christusregnat

    Christusregnat Puritan Board Professor

    All you vanTilians make me want to :barfy:

    :lol:

    Adam
     
  13. AV1611

    AV1611 Puritan Board Senior

    :smug:
     
  14. jaybird0827

    jaybird0827 PuritanBoard Honor Roll

    Divine right. Scriptural model, commanded by God.

    :2cents:
     
  15. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    I don't believe scripture teaches several systems of church government any more than it teaches several rules for worship. Divine right all the way.
     
  16. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritanboard Commissioner

    :ditto:

    How can we evaluate whether a system of church government is good or bad if the choice of system is arbitrary in the first place?
     
  17. raekwon

    raekwon Puritan Board Junior

    This would probably the closest thing to my sentiments as well.

    ETA: What I mean is this . . . scripture sets forth rule of the church by elders. This much is plain (I actually held to this when I was a baptist, which I why I then called myself a "baptistic presbyterian" or a "presbyterial baptist"). What I'm not so sure about is the biblical propriety or necessity of the presbytery and General Assembly as higher courts of authority than the local church's session. There is wisdom in such things sometimes, but just like any wise thing that's not necessarily biblical, they can also be abused or become hindrances to the church's mission in some cases.
     
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2008
  18. Josiah

    Josiah Puritan Board Senior

    Divine right all the way.
     
  19. etexas

    etexas Puritan Board Doctor

    Blush..........
     
  20. AV1611

    AV1611 Puritan Board Senior

    Not to start a fight, but I find it very difficult to see how Scripture presecribes the Presbyterian form of government. I find no classis, General Assembly, Moderator, etc in Holy Writ. Nor do I find the election of prebyters by the congregation. :2cents:

    Might I suggest [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Elders-Every-City-Ordained-Ministry/dp/1842272306/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208269513&sr=8-1"]Elders in Every City: The Origin an Role of the Ordained Ministry[/ame] by Roger Beckwith
     
  21. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritanboard Commissioner

    I will let someone else give a more comprehensive answer, but I would point out that a Moderator is only the chairman of a meeting, it is not an office like a bishop.
     
  22. AV1611

    AV1611 Puritan Board Senior

    I understand mate, I shared a flat with a Presbyterian for a while so know the arguments ;) I would point out that a bishop (in Anglicanism) is the same office as a presbyter but one that has been consecrated for a wider area of ministry (i.e. same office different role). :handshake:
     
  23. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritanboard Commissioner

    You shared a flat with a Presbyterian...you have my sympathies. ;)
     
  24. CovenantalBaptist

    CovenantalBaptist Puritan Board Freshman

    I voted too (as a Baptist in a Presbyterian seminary).
     
  25. jawyman

    jawyman Puritan Board Junior

    :ditto: and :amen:
     
  26. JBaldwin

    JBaldwin Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    I didn't vote, because there wasn't an "other" option. I became a presbyterian for a lot of reasons, but one of them was the church government. I can't say that presbyterianism is the perfect answer to what the Scriptures teach, but coupled with the reformed doctrine and the church government, it seemed closest to me to what the Scriptures teach, so I became a presbyterian.

    I do believe in one system taught in Scripture, but I can't say the presybterian church as we know it today has necessarily perfected that.
     
  27. smhbbag

    smhbbag Puritan Board Senior

    I asked in the other thread, without any responses.

    I believe that Presbyterian polity (or a close variant) is the only teaching of scripture. So, I can't vote in the Baptist poll, as it is neither Best nor Divine in any way in my opinion. But I can't vote here because I'm a Baptist.

    Life gets lonely in the so-called middle :(
     
  28. JBaldwin

    JBaldwin Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    You can have my vote. :lol:
     
  29. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritanboard Commissioner

    :violin::violin::violin::violin:
     
  30. Presbyterian Deacon

    Presbyterian Deacon Puritan Board Graduate

    So get off the fence and come to the light!:candle:

    :lol:
     
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