Search results for query: filioque

Here is a summary statement of a parish that is a member of the Orthodox Church in America (OCA) on the doctrine of the Holy Spirit: How big of a deal is this, both theologically and pragmatically? Is the Orthodox view worth the "split" of the Church? Does it make them heretical on this...

...this blog post by a convert from Protestantism to Eastern Orthodoxy. I really do not know a ton about the theological implications of the filioque clause. I am curious why we use it in Protestantism; would we say the original Nicene Creed was defective or incomplete without it? What are...

...church in a majority Eastern Orthodox country. One evening I gave a Bible Study and at the end there came up a question concerning the Filioque. Now, this question was asked by a fresh convert from EO (although nominal). It is the case that even nominal members of the EO-Church are aware of...

One thing I don't understand about the Athanasian creed is why it makes the filioque (or eternal generation, for that matter) something necessary to believe for salvation. I know that the more I understand about the Trinity, the more I realize how important each Confessional statement...

...reason why I believe it: what the economic Trinity does mirrors the immanent Trinity. Still, I'm hoping to get any resources that defend the filioque? I'm still unsure if this derives from good and necessary consequence of Scripture or if I'm merely reading something into it because it makes...

In Robert Letham's Systematic Theology, he refers to this article by Gerard Bray on "The Filioque Clause in History and Theology" (published in the Tyndale Bulletin) as one of the best, pro-Western treatments of the subject. Has anyone here read it or have any thoughts on it?

If someone rejects the filioque phrase from the Creed, should we assume their lost state? If they go from accepting it to rejecting it, rather than merely remaining ignorant of the issues, does this show apostasy from Trinitarian teaching enough that we may label them as heretics?

I haven't read much about the filique from a Reformed perspective and would like to know some of your thoughts on the above quote. Thank you.

The classic Western doctrine of the filioque states that, as Matthew Barrett puts it in his book, "Simply Trinity": This, however, doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. This seems confused to ground the generation of persons in the essence and not in the persons. Should not we say that the...

As I am reading different sources, there seems to be one source I cannot manage to find. I am curious if anyone has or knows of where I can find a specific letter: The Epistle From Pilgrim Monks of The Mount of Olives To Pope Leo III and Charlemagne If anyone could help me out, that would...

As catholics, we confess that the Spirit proceeds from the Father and from the Son. I would like to hear input on the best arguments in favor of this from the text of Scripture, and also what use can be made of this doctrine - how can it be applied to our comfort, our instruction in...

Bryan, I agree there is a necessary relationship, but the question is the direction of that relationship. "IF no filioque, THEN inclusivism" is cause, on its own ground, to reject "no filioque." However, "IF inclusivism, THEN no filioque" would not necessarily impinge on the filioque's status...

And with regards to the filioque: https://www.puritanboard.com/threads/athanasian-creed-and-consequence-of-denying-filioque.68357/

I find the Bible is the best volume on the Filioque ;)

Thanx. I tried earlier looking up filioque threads on here but when I'm searching it doesn't bring up as many threads as before in the old version of the PB. I Miss the old search engine in PB :) lol

I've not read Thomas on the Filioque, but is he really better on it than Smeaton?

Depends on when in church history. In Toledo in the 7th century the Filioque was used to counter an Arian argument by proving the Son was God because he could produce a divine Person. That's a terrible argument, by the way, but it is independent of the Papacy. By the time you get to Thomas...

If I had to, yes. But I believe in the filioque. I just don't think it rises to the same level as, say, Arianism. The confession of Jesus as Lord is directly challenged by Arianism and certain forms of subordinationism. I don't think the filioque rises to the same level as...

The "filioque"?

...four or five times each over the past five years). Admittedly, recent Protestantism has done a terrible job in expounding and defending the Filioque. The filioque is such a wide topic that it's hard ot know where to start aside from specifics. The original creed wasn't defective, but it...

...and exclusion by rejection. None of the Creeds are complete doctrinal statements and are incomplete. Therefore, the exclusion of the filioque originally does not mean that the early Church rejected the filioque, only that they chose to emphasize one Trinitarian aspect over another. But...

We're not really allowed to talk about him, but he was a Covenanter who then rejected the Filioque, then rejected the EO church (but said they were right on the Filioque), then became Hebrew roots/Natsarim, then got mad at them. No idea what he is now.

Why are we not allowed to talk about him?

To their credit, I think they have said more on that point.

I read this article this morning and it made we wonder about how firmly EOs hold to the Filioque statement in the Nicaean-Constantinopolitan Creed. http://theaquilareport.com/remove-the-filioque-clause-from-the-nicene-creed-virtue-online/ The article includes this paragraph: The...

I don't miss it. The search feature here is an improvement. https://www.puritanboard.com/search/9270/?q=filioque&o=relevance

The Chalcedonian version--the filioque is moot, as its substance is at least strongly implied by the text (at least in my understanding).

Are you saying that the Athanasian Creed is incorrect in making the Filioque an indispensable part of the Catholic faith which "unless a man keeps it in its entirety inviolate, he will assuredly perish eternally"?

Thank you all for your posts, and thank you Bryan for posting those dangers of denying the filioque. Thanks! That was quite helpful. However, I have trouble following the logic at this point. I can see that a complete denial of a personal property denies the personhood of a person of the...

Barth's use of the Filioque (not a fan of Barth, but he wrote more on it and better defended it than any conservative Reformed theologian today, to our much-deserved shame). https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item?id=TC-QMM-102243&op=pdf&app=Library&oclc_number=892079089 McCormack, Bruce L., and...