min_is_3
Puritan Board Freshman
So I was discussing Limited Atonement with someone who is non-reformed and they brought up 1 John 2:2. And their argument is that Christ's death propitiated sins for "the whole world" meaning every single person. So I responded back that this would mean that God's wrath was removed from every single person and hence universalism, which this person doesn't hold to.
He said, that the propitiatory sacrifice is only applied or effective to those who believe and quoted Romans 3:25 which threw me for a loop because the verse states that propitiation is through faith. He said that those who don't believe, the propitiatory sacrifice made for them doesn't get applied but nonetheless, it was still made for every single person. It's the exercise of faith that determines if it actually gets applied to the person.
He said that even the Elect are not born into this world with their sins already propitiated, that they still have to exercise faith in time for the sacrifice to be efficacious. So Christ could have died for everyone but only benefits those who believe.
Something doesn't sound right but I didn't know how to answer him.
He said, that the propitiatory sacrifice is only applied or effective to those who believe and quoted Romans 3:25 which threw me for a loop because the verse states that propitiation is through faith. He said that those who don't believe, the propitiatory sacrifice made for them doesn't get applied but nonetheless, it was still made for every single person. It's the exercise of faith that determines if it actually gets applied to the person.
He said that even the Elect are not born into this world with their sins already propitiated, that they still have to exercise faith in time for the sacrifice to be efficacious. So Christ could have died for everyone but only benefits those who believe.
Something doesn't sound right but I didn't know how to answer him.