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Dearest Mark,Any thoughts on this?
I can confidently answer on this portion of your post that Yes, there are thoughts on it. I hope this proves abundantly helpful.
Dearest Mark,Any thoughts on this?
I can confidently answer on this portion of your post that Yes, there are thoughts on it. I hope this proves abundantly helpful.
Joshua, the sublimity of your pithy effusions of profound sagacity are, if I may say sans ostentatious verbosity, increased exponentially.
Dearest Mark,
I can confidently answer on this portion of your post that Yes, there are thoughts on it. I hope this proves abundantly helpful.
My dictionary program just imploded. Thanks, Bob
Mark, here's some opinions to get you started;
Privacy among spouses:
-For the YES answer - spouses should never let the other one see them use the toilet. And when having a baby, wives PLEASE, PLEASE don't insist that your husband watch or film, just let him hold your hand at the head of the bed. Also, if your wife has female friends who are undergoing trials, some confidentiality can be a good thing so that your wife can talk and bless them.
I know of some women who feel that they must hide a stash of money away from their husbands lest they spend it all. I guess that might be a necessity sometimes for some situations, but generally it is neither honoring to the husband or the wife.
-For the NO answer - I believe wife/husband email accounts and facebook accounts ought to be known and checkable by the other. I believe it is unhealthy sometimes for some husbands to have their own computer in their own room. I believe in joint checking accounts and having both names on the property.
Joshua, the sublimity of your pithy effusions of profound sagacity are, if I may say sans ostentatious verbosity, increased exponentially.
Is there any room for the idea of privacy amongst spouses? Any thoughts on this?
Is it healthy for the church try and keep things secret and private from the Lord Jesus Christ? Isn't marriage simply a picture of the relationshipo between us (the church) and Christ?
I know a man who overheard something terrible (and wrong) said about his wife that would have been very painful to her if she had heard it. They would not have future dealings with this malicious talker, who was not in their social circle at all.
Should the husband keep such information to himself, or give his wife all sorts of pain for the sake of openness?
Is it healthy for the church try and keep things secret and private from the Lord Jesus Christ? Isn't marriage simply a picture of the relationshipo between us (the church) and Christ?
This reminded me of a specific example where I think secrecy is fine.
I know a man who overheard something terrible (and wrong) said about his wife that would have been very painful to her if she had heard it. They would not have future dealings with this malicious talker, who was not in their social circle at all.
Should the husband keep such information to himself, or give his wife all sorts of pain for the sake of openness?
I know a man who overheard something terrible (and wrong) said about his wife that would have been very painful to her if she had heard it. They would not have future dealings with this malicious talker, who was not in their social circle at all.
Should the husband keep such information to himself, or give his wife all sorts of pain for the sake of openness?
I wouldn't think so. Is it ever right to be a talebearer and cause wounds?
But I don't think we should liken the absolute all seeingness of the Lord, and our entire trust in Him, to the husband and wife relationship too mechanically. No human relationship will ever bear that level of trust, or openness. I love my husband dearly; but I am about as offended at the suggestion that the sins of my soul, which belong by right to my Saviour who died for them and buried them out of sight and does not 'bring them into the streets', should be laid open to him, as I would be if someone tried to get me to confess them to a priest. Did Ruben have my sins nailed to His cross? The same goes for many of my joys and desires, which are before Him who made me and gave Himself for me. I belong body and soul entirely to my Lord; and this belonging is the only comfort that can stand up to death or life. It is indeed the only comfort that can stand up to the harder moments of marriage.
Perhaps you will demonstrate how my words could possibly be construed to mean anything of the above? I thought I was very clear in saying the relationship between the church and Christ is pictured in marriage, not the relationship between the individual believer and Christ.
My wife and I should read like open books to one another.I believe wife/husband email accounts and facebook accounts ought to be known and checkable by the other. I believe it is unhealthy sometimes for some husbands to have their own computer in their own room. I believe in joint checking accounts and having both names on the property.
22 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her; 26 that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she should be holy and blameless. 28 So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; 29 for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, 30 because we are members of His body. 31 FOR THIS CAUSE A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND SHALL CLEAVE TO HIS WIFE; AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. 32 This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let each individual among you also love his own wife even as himself; and let the wife see to it that she respect her husband. Eph 5:22-33 (NASB77)
Perhaps you will demonstrate how my words could possibly be construed to mean anything of the above? I thought I was very clear in saying the relationship between the church and Christ is pictured in marriage, not the relationship between the individual believer and Christ.
Pastor, I didn't see any construal at all. If anything, it looked like Heidi was granting your point and adding a good qualification. It certainly didn't look like a response calling for a gauntlet toss.
In any event, the aspect Heidi brings up is well taken. The image of the church as bride is powerful and full of meaning, but the analog cannot go too far in human marriage. After all, the bride of Christ cannot in any fashion keep secrets from her husband.
But the Lord does have the prerogative of keeping certain things secret from his bride.
I don't think that you would use this aspect to advocate that the wife must confess all to her husband, but her husband gets to keep secrets.
I think that a marriage should be open and honest. The privacy should not be between the spouses, but with the couple as a whole. That's the biggest problem I see with the newly arrived marriage book. By divulging explicit details, the husband has not protected his wife or her reputation, but he has opened her life (and his) to public scrutiny when he should have kept those areas private. I know that the wife was in agreement with the book, but it's still a violation of trust within the marriage covenant and may come back to hurt them in the end.