Peairtach
Puritan Board Doctor
I'd prepared this reply to Warren on another thread which was closed.
Quote from Warren
Not really. When the CoW with holy Adam is compared with the Sinatic Covenant with sinful, CoWorks breaking Israel, it is just confusing at best to call Sinai a RoCoW.
Even those who espouse the RoCoW at Sinai, like Michael Horton, say that Israel didn't have to keep the law perfectly to remain in the Land. That's a very different animal to the CoW made with Adam, in which he had to keep the law perfectly to remain in Eden, and was keeping the law on behalf of his descendants.
What Horton et al. is calling a RoCoW is just another typological teaching aid to tell the babyhood Church about God's wrath against sin. God will eventually put you "outside" His Kingdom in Hell if you don't (collectively) show faith and repentance as a result of grace.
Also, God graciously didn't want to put Adam and Eve (and Mankind) immediately into Hell when they sinned so he gave them a little taster by cursing the Earth and casting them "outside" of Eden.
In the New Covenant administration, God doesn't want to cast us immediately into Hell when we sin, so through His officers he puts us "outside" by Church sanctions.
With the New Covenant Israel, from a collective point of view, Christ can also "remove the lampstand" from a congregation or denomination.
The CoW with Adam was given in God's bountiful goodness to someone who, while he did not merit such bountiful goodness, had not demerited such bountiful goodness.
The Mosaic Covenant was graciously given to a group of sinners, who had demerited God's goodness, and thus was a product of God's grace to sinners.
Since Adam hadn't sinned, he was capable of keeping the CoW.
The Israelites had already broken the CoW in Adam. They were incapable of keeping the Mosaic Covenant without grace to sinners. Saving grace and/or common grace. If they'd remained in the Land it would have all been of grace.
The two covenants, one with holy Adam and one with sinful Israelites, are like chalk and cheese.
Quote from Warren
If the CoW prior to the Fall had as its stipulations the Moral Law, then a reiteration of obedience to these stipulations, predicated on the maintenance of tenure in the Land (in seeming parallelism to Adam's probationary status), would be a republication of the CoW, would it not?
Not really. When the CoW with holy Adam is compared with the Sinatic Covenant with sinful, CoWorks breaking Israel, it is just confusing at best to call Sinai a RoCoW.
Even those who espouse the RoCoW at Sinai, like Michael Horton, say that Israel didn't have to keep the law perfectly to remain in the Land. That's a very different animal to the CoW made with Adam, in which he had to keep the law perfectly to remain in Eden, and was keeping the law on behalf of his descendants.
What Horton et al. is calling a RoCoW is just another typological teaching aid to tell the babyhood Church about God's wrath against sin. God will eventually put you "outside" His Kingdom in Hell if you don't (collectively) show faith and repentance as a result of grace.
Also, God graciously didn't want to put Adam and Eve (and Mankind) immediately into Hell when they sinned so he gave them a little taster by cursing the Earth and casting them "outside" of Eden.
In the New Covenant administration, God doesn't want to cast us immediately into Hell when we sin, so through His officers he puts us "outside" by Church sanctions.
With the New Covenant Israel, from a collective point of view, Christ can also "remove the lampstand" from a congregation or denomination.
Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent.(Rev 2:5, ESV)
The CoW with Adam was given in God's bountiful goodness to someone who, while he did not merit such bountiful goodness, had not demerited such bountiful goodness.
The Mosaic Covenant was graciously given to a group of sinners, who had demerited God's goodness, and thus was a product of God's grace to sinners.
Since Adam hadn't sinned, he was capable of keeping the CoW.
The Israelites had already broken the CoW in Adam. They were incapable of keeping the Mosaic Covenant without grace to sinners. Saving grace and/or common grace. If they'd remained in the Land it would have all been of grace.
The two covenants, one with holy Adam and one with sinful Israelites, are like chalk and cheese.
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