steven-nemes
Puritan Board Sophomore
Is there any way I can possibly put that "TULIP will dominate the world" picture in my signature?
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The difference is, Muslims know when to quit -
They do?
I have heard for twenty five years that Calvinist are too proud and too loud. I have and will tell people that Calvinist knocking Calvinist is a full time job for some people. We are no more or less loud, stuck up and proud then any other group. I think that it is a self perpetuating myth like the other one that says, "Calvinist don't like to witness because of what they think about Election."
But even if you should suffer for righteousness' sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled, but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.
The answer is a Calvinist Jihad: Picturing The Absurd: "Worse Than Muslims"?
Liberty's prez, Ergun Caner, is what Josh is referencing:
Q: DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT CALVINISTS ARE WORSE THAN MUSLIMS?
A: Yes, absolutely. For a small portion of these people, just daring to question the Bezian movement is heresy. They will blog and
e-mail incessantly. I call it a "Calvinist Jihad", because just like Muslims, they believe they are defending the honor of their view.
They can discuss nothing else. I have even had a few call for my head! Dr. Falwell and I have laughed about it, because they are so insistent, and they miss the point completely. There are plenty of schools to which the neo-Calvinists can go, but Liberty will be a lighthouse for missions and evangelism to the "whosoever wills". Period. The difference is, Muslims know when to quit - for these guys, it is the only topic about which they can talk.
OK, that ticks even me off!!! As much as I want to opine for tolerance and maturity, there is something about Ergun Caner that can reduce me to a snarling cage-stage Calvinist in about 3 seconds.
Fourth, amillenialist, then post-mil. Amillenialists upset that I had rocked their boat, thinking that amillenialism was the final frontier of eschatology.
So wait... do you guys mean to say that Arminianism is something that you can't beat out of people?
I have a couple in my basement that, I think, are starting to turn...
Is there any way I can possibly put that "TULIP will dominate the world" picture in my signature?
I think it is important to note that just because someone claims to be a calvinist or an arminian for that matter, it does not mean that they are actually a christian. I'm currently reading a book by Jonathan Edwards amply called, "Religious Affections". One of the main tenets is that the devil can produce in those who are not saved, essentially an external replica that is found in devout saints. I became a calvinist about a year ago, but it was not until I was what I believe to be a fairly well grounded Christian.
Just remember Calvinist is not necessarily synonymous with a redeemed, elect, sanctified saint of Jesus Christ.
Let's go on a LOVE OFFENSIVE!!!
I declare today to be "Slug an Arminian Day!"
Ah, I miss the old days when we were all in our ships travelling to the New World and trying to make of ourselves an example to other Christians, rather than just grousing at them all the time. There is much to be said for the differences between hurtful fanaticism and constructive zeal. Perhaps much of the difference between modern Reformed Protestants and the old 16th and 17th-century Reformers has to do with the fact that many of us in America (with the unfortunate exceptions, of course) haven't suffered persecution to the extent that they did; also, the Faith was new, raw, and ground-breaking -- now man has had a chance to make it seem stale and pedantic. Also, in the good old days, everyone who was interested in theology was fiery and, often enough, rather rude. They would have been quite flabbergasted at the delicate sensibilities of our age.
Of course, arrogance is another thing entirely and should be cut down at all times as a thing hateful to the Lord.
" . . . and Roger Williams was driven out of his area by calvinists . . ."
What do you call 10,000 Arminians enrolled in Westminster?
What do you call 10,000 Arminians enrolled in Westminster?
ummm, would it be known as Princeton?
" . . . and Roger Williams was driven out of his area by calvinists . . ."
Do you mean Massachusetts or Rhode Island?
The story of Williams being "driven" out of the Massachusetts Bay Colony by those harsh, mean Puritans has been one of the biggest myths perpetrated in American history.
In the Christianity and Civilization Symposium, Volume II, The Failure of the American Baptist Culture, there is an article in the book written by a Harry Dexter White back in 1876, all based on the actual source documentation of what happened back in 1634 - 1638. It portrays a FAR different picture than what the history books of the last 50 years have presented about Williams, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island.
In the same manner, Calvinists often get caricatured by Dispensationalists/arminians in that they claim Calvinists are teaching that Calvin said far more than he actually did regarding TULIP (especially the L), but Paul Helm in Calvin and the Calvinists also dispelled those myths.
Sometimes the amount of ignorance and willful blindness that exists can be astounding.