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If I could learn the Scriptures without the help of my pastor......then I wouldn't need my pastor. I learn further while reading Scripture, but it's based upon what I've learned from others in the past. Same can be said of songs. Someone could write a song about justification and keep it doctrinally sound which would teach others and admonishing others.
J
Originally Posted by JBaldwin
I would agree that we cannot teach all that is in scripture by using only the Psalms. There is a lot of doctrine that is not found in the psalms.
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I was refering back to a comment that we were to teach and admonish. Colossians specifically says that we are teach and admonish. I don't know how we can teach and admonish the Word of Christ in all wisdom without drawing from all of the revealed word of Christ.
Skyler I have a question.
When Paul said "psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs" was he listing three different categories, or simply repeating himself?
this is a mind blowing debate... I have never heard of this before. Is there like a hymnal with all the Psalms put to music? what kind of music? a piano or guitar or drums or just a tamborine and that other thingy David used the harp thing? I'm not tring to poke fun... I really want to know.
Lifting your hearts to God in pure worship.
Lifting your hearts to God in pure worship.
Yes, that's the same feeling I get when I sing an Isaac Watts hymn.
this is a mind blowing debate... I have never heard of this before. Is there like a hymnal with all the Psalms put to music? what kind of music? a piano or guitar or drums or just a tamborine and that other thingy David used the harp thing? I'm not tring to poke fun... I really want to know.
Lifting your hearts to God in pure worship.
Yes, that's the same feeling I get when I sing an Isaac Watts hymn.
Really? You get the same from Issac as you do from Scripture??
Which hymn?
Yes, that's the same feeling I get when I sing an Isaac Watts hymn.
Really? You get the same from Issac as you do from Scripture??
Which hymn?
I get the same as I do from the Psalter (I didn't say Scripture)
O God, Our Help in Ages Past
Joy to the World
Alas! and Did My Savior Bleed
When I Survey the Wondrous Cross
Come, We That Love the Lord
ok... I'm kinda seeing (not nessisarily agreeing but I can see the other sides POV) the whole only Psalms thing... but why a cappella? Didn't David use a harp and a tamborine? like in
2 Sam 6:5,Psalms 81:2, 149:3, 150:4
2nd request. Stay on topic.
Is there clear and sufficient warrant given in Scripture for the composition of uninspired writings for use as song in the public worship of the Church?
Address the topic of the thread or interact with those that have attempted to do so.
Is there clear and sufficient warrant given in Scripture for the composition of uninspired writings for use as song in the public worship of the Church?
Is there clear and sufficient warrant given in Scripture for the composition of uninspired writings for use as song in the public worship of the Church?
God commands us to sing praise to him for who he is and what he has done (cf. Ps 96:1-3, Ps 98:1-2). God has performed more works on behalf of his people and revealed more of his nature and character since the composing of the psalms. Therefore, we have more to sing about. This is further encouraged with the commands in Eph. and Col. to teach and admonish one another with song, expounding and celebrating what what God has now done for us in Christ and praising him for it.
Is there clear and sufficient warrant given in Scripture for the composition of uninspired writings for use as song in the public worship of the Church?
God commands us to sing praise to him for who he is and what he has done (cf. Ps 96:1-3, Ps 98:1-2). God has performed more works on behalf of his people and revealed more of his nature and character since the composing of the psalms. Therefore, we have more to sing about. This is further encouraged with the commands in Eph. and Col. to teach and admonish one another with song, expounding and celebrating what what God has now done for us in Christ and praising him for it.
From Scripture.Is there clear and sufficient warrant given in Scripture for the composition of uninspired writings for use as song in the public worship of the Church?
God commands us to sing praise to him for who he is and what he has done (cf. Ps 96:1-3, Ps 98:1-2). God has performed more works on behalf of his people and revealed more of his nature and character since the composing of the psalms. Therefore, we have more to sing about. This is further encouraged with the commands in Eph. and Col. to teach and admonish one another with song, expounding and celebrating what what God has now done for us in Christ and praising him for it.
By your own reasoning you should be EP
Do you want people to teach and admonish each other from the scripture or from some manmade ideas and modern ideas?
Hopefully, if you needed to admonish me, you would explain how the relevant Scripture applies to me rather than just quote it to me. And so long as the commentary faithfully expounds the truth of Scripture I will gladly receive it's admonition, just as I would a sermon.Do you want me to admonish you from a commentary or limit it to the scriptures?
Then wouldn't it make sense and be consistent to admonish and teach in song from the scriptures as well
If I do not sing praise to him in response to his new works and celebrate the greater revelation of his nature and character, then I am disobeying him.
If I do not sing praise to him in response to his new works and celebrate the greater revelation of his nature and character, then I am disobeying him.
disobeying what command in scripture would that be?
or just a man made conclusion?
Is there clear and sufficient warrant given in Scripture for the composition of uninspired writings for use as song in the public worship of the Church?
God commands us to sing praise to him for who he is and what he has done (cf. Ps 96:1-3, Ps 98:1-2). God has performed more works on behalf of his people and revealed more of his nature and character since the composing of the psalms. Therefore, we have more to sing about. This is further encouraged with the commands in Eph. and Col. to teach and admonish one another with song, expounding and celebrating what what God has now done for us in Christ and praising him for it.
Is there clear and sufficient warrant given in Scripture for the composition of uninspired writings for use as song in the public worship of the Church?
God commands us to sing praise to him for who he is and what he has done (cf. Ps 96:1-3, Ps 98:1-2). God has performed more works on behalf of his people and revealed more of his nature and character since the composing of the psalms. Therefore, we have more to sing about. This is further encouraged with the commands in Eph. and Col. to teach and admonish one another with song, expounding and celebrating what what God has now done for us in Christ and praising him for it.
Thank you Puritansailor this settles it for me.
God commands us to sing praise to him for who he is and what he has done (cf. Ps 96:1-3, Ps 98:1-2). God has performed more works on behalf of his people and revealed more of his nature and character since the composing of the psalms. Therefore, we have more to sing about. This is further encouraged with the commands in Eph. and Col. to teach and admonish one another with song, expounding and celebrating what what God has now done for us in Christ and praising him for it.
Thank you Puritansailor this settles it for me.
So you are arguing the the psalter is insufficient?
Only one question then, does Eph 5:19 and Col 3:16 teach more than the psalms, and is this referring to in public worship.
Now how could it? Stop and think, if you were a 1st Century Jew who was a believer or became converted and met in the synagogue or some other place and this was written to you, what would you think it meant?