Ray Boltz "comes out" (of the closet)
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ServantofGod
Puritan Board Junior
Christusregnat
Puritan Board Professor
When God chooses to blind someone, it is amazing the amount of wickedness they will attribute to God.
I wonder when the next pedophile will blame God for making him that way?
Very sad. Thanks for sharing,
SolaScriptura
Puritanboard Brimstone
Wow.
How pathetically sad.
How pathetically sad.
Backwoods Presbyterian
Puritanboard Amanuensis
I am a gross immoral sinner that deserves Hell. That is the way I was born.
Richard King
Puritan Board Senior
well I wish it wasn't so.
B.J.
Puritan Board Freshman
His wife is now an advocate of this group.
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Davidius
Puritan Board Post-Graduate
It's not all that amazing, actually, since they are in fact blind.
Anyway, who is this guy?
Ex Nihilo
Puritan Board Senior
Ah, youth!
Or perhaps you just haven't seen enough music specials on Sunday morning.
My first thought is that a lot of people who sang Ray Boltz songs in church are going to question whether they were wrong to do so.
Backwoods Presbyterian
Puritanboard Amanuensis
raekwon
Puritan Board Junior
Well, that'd be a pretty silly thing to think.
Ex Nihilo
Puritan Board Senior
Thank you.
I was just thinking of how a lot of evangelicals instantly boycott anything tainted by homosexuality -- not saying that is wrong -- and wondering if the same would happen here.
Presbyterian Deacon
Puritan Board Graduate
No, but I may be more inclined towards using his cd's as Frisbees, and less likely to play them now.
Presbyterian Deacon
Puritan Board Graduate
He was a very popular Christian recording artist a few years back. I have a couple of CD's by him.
Ivan
Pastor
I did some research, read about him, listen to about four of his songs and I can tell you that I've never heard of this guy.
SolaScriptura
Puritanboard Brimstone
You're not missing much. His songs - his hits, anyway - were mostly sappy, sentimentalistic ballads. I never had the slightest interest in his music.
raekwon
Puritan Board Junior
No, but I may be more inclined towards using his cd's as Frisbees, and less likely to play them now.
Yeah, the fact that he made bad music pretty much did that for me a long time ago. ;-)
ReformedWretch
Puritan Board Doctor
Well silly me, I actually LIKED most of his stuff (though not agreeing it should have been sang in Church). How sickening to hear about this.
Ivan
Pastor
A nod to those who liked him, but I listened to four of his songs on YouTube and I couldn't stand them. Sappy is right. Never liked the type of music he performed so it's little wonder I've never heard of him.
ReformedWretch
Puritan Board Doctor
I used to really like this song most
[video=youtube;7dOq74nc2mM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dOq74nc2mM[/video]
[video=youtube;7dOq74nc2mM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dOq74nc2mM[/video]
ManleyBeasley
Puritan Board Junior
The worst is his justification of wickedness. Very horrible.
Barnpreacher
Puritan Board Junior
Boltz recorded a few songs that I liked. "Watch the Lamb" and "The Bells are Ringing" were a couple of my favorites.
This was sad to hear.
This was sad to hear.
His "testimony" screams the poverty of Evangelicalism today. People view their Christian walk and struggle as awaiting some "second blessing" to be delivered from further temptation and sin. The gospel of grace that announces Christ's righteousness and not our own is rarely preached from pulpits. Even the song "Thank You" is a song of the victory theology that permeates the "Christian" music scene.
Christianity is viewed as something that "works" or it doesn't. What kind of "testimonies" are on display with respect to sin? "I was delivered from alcohol and never desired another drink" or "I was gay and now I like women because God healed me completely". Those who never hear the true Gospel but simply hear the stories of victorious living by those who "dare to be a Daniel" are left hoping, week after week, that if they try really hard or "really let go this time" that they'll break through and their sincerity of effort will deliver from sin.
The sad part about this story is not a man convinced that something abominable pleases God. True, that's very sad. What's sad is that American Evangelicals have no testimony of the true Gospel for this man. Most will simply fold their arms and think of Ray as a sinner who doesn't get it like they do. Unlike them, Ray now has a sinful heart because they're remaining dedicated.
May God send a reformation.
Christianity is viewed as something that "works" or it doesn't. What kind of "testimonies" are on display with respect to sin? "I was delivered from alcohol and never desired another drink" or "I was gay and now I like women because God healed me completely". Those who never hear the true Gospel but simply hear the stories of victorious living by those who "dare to be a Daniel" are left hoping, week after week, that if they try really hard or "really let go this time" that they'll break through and their sincerity of effort will deliver from sin.
The sad part about this story is not a man convinced that something abominable pleases God. True, that's very sad. What's sad is that American Evangelicals have no testimony of the true Gospel for this man. Most will simply fold their arms and think of Ray as a sinner who doesn't get it like they do. Unlike them, Ray now has a sinful heart because they're remaining dedicated.
May God send a reformation.
Backwoods Presbyterian
Puritanboard Amanuensis
Rich!!!For these folks, It is all about "victory" (self induced with a shout out to God for the assist) and how sad is that?
JBaldwin
Puritan Board Post-Graduate
This is very sad. I kept wondering where is his church family? If what Boltz says is true, he thought Christ would help him with it, but he was afraid to ask for help for fear of being rejected. As awful as the sin is, a repentent Christian who is struggling with this sin should feel free to confide in his pastor or elders and get help without fear of being kicked out of the church (as long as he is truly repentent).
I am wondering where the church has been in the last 40 years or so as this sin has become epidemic. I saw it in the upper levels of the PCUSA, and in the Church of England. I'm sure it is common in other denominations. For years, these folks hid their sin behind the mask of a clerical robe where a lot of other like-minded folk were hiding as well. Meanwhile, the more conservative denominations were pointing fingers and pushing out anyone who even mentioned they had the slightest inclination in that direction.
What if, instead, the elders and pastor quietly pulled the individual aside and began working with them offering all the help, support and counseling available until the person was drawn back to Christ?
I am wondering where the church has been in the last 40 years or so as this sin has become epidemic. I saw it in the upper levels of the PCUSA, and in the Church of England. I'm sure it is common in other denominations. For years, these folks hid their sin behind the mask of a clerical robe where a lot of other like-minded folk were hiding as well. Meanwhile, the more conservative denominations were pointing fingers and pushing out anyone who even mentioned they had the slightest inclination in that direction.
What if, instead, the elders and pastor quietly pulled the individual aside and began working with them offering all the help, support and counseling available until the person was drawn back to Christ?
Semper Fidelis;
This jumped out to me, I am one who struggles in this area, so I know that I have to lean on God to help me get through those times when stress begins to take over and I yearn for that drink. I know I have to flee from those times of temptation and not give in to them.
There are times I have had to drive home a different direction, because there is a bar or liquor store the other way and that temptation to give in can be overwhelming. So I have to make a conscience effort to go the other way.
I can not hold on to the lie, that I was born a sinner, therefore it's okay that I sin..I have God's word to cling to and read and trust that my heart and flesh desires to sin against God and not to please Him, only through fleeing and running away from those temptations and trusting Him during those times can I please Him.
And we all have those same type of struggles in our lives..
this is the message Mr. Boltz needs to hear..
This jumped out to me, I am one who struggles in this area, so I know that I have to lean on God to help me get through those times when stress begins to take over and I yearn for that drink. I know I have to flee from those times of temptation and not give in to them.
There are times I have had to drive home a different direction, because there is a bar or liquor store the other way and that temptation to give in can be overwhelming. So I have to make a conscience effort to go the other way.
I can not hold on to the lie, that I was born a sinner, therefore it's okay that I sin..I have God's word to cling to and read and trust that my heart and flesh desires to sin against God and not to please Him, only through fleeing and running away from those temptations and trusting Him during those times can I please Him.
And we all have those same type of struggles in our lives..
this is the message Mr. Boltz needs to hear..
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