Pope Francis allegedly declares that "there is no hell" in interview

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http://www.newsweek.com/does-hell-e...interview-could-change-catholic-church-866010

The Vatican predictably jumps into defense mode and denies that the interview ever happened. Even if he did not utter these remarks in an interview format, it doubtless represents the Pope's universalist leanings.

Consider:
https://www.opc.org/nh.html?article_id=722

https://timothyjhammons.com/2016/04/17/the-pope-embraces-universalism/

https://www.americamagazine.org/fai...-must-unite-against-intolerance-prejudice-and
 
Haeralis said:
http://www.newsweek.com/does-hell-e...interview-could-change-catholic-church-866010

The Vatican predictably jumps into defense mode and denies that the interview ever happened. Even if he did not utter these remarks in an interview format, it doubtless represents the Pope's universalist leanings.

Consider:
https://www.opc.org/nh.html?article_id=722

https://timothyjhammons.com/2016/04/17/the-pope-embraces-universalism/

https://www.americamagazine.org/fai...-must-unite-against-intolerance-prejudice-and
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Technically, what he was espousing was annihilationism and not universalism.
 
Whom do we believe? The Vatican says the journalist was lying, but to be honest the alleged comments do not seem too far off of Francis's theology.
 
The following video is very pertinent to the discussion. In the Ligonier video, this guy spells out the radical shift in emphasis at Vatican II and that Francis is the embodiment of that council. It is worth the 20-25 minutes, for sure. The speaker is a Protestant with a pastorate and para-church in Rome.

 
funny thing is this is the fifth interview he has conducted with La Repubblica founder Eugenio Scalfar and each time the Vatican refutes the interview. will they ever learn?
 
I'm almost embarrassed by Francis on behalf of the Papists. They really put a loose canon on the throne.
 
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WCF 25 VI. There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God.

I do wonder: can a pope be impeached? I'm not sure I really care, but it is an interesting question.

Or better yet, what if God is using the current Pope to rescue His elect from that false church?

Ro9:22, 23 (ESV) What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—
 
TylerRay said:
I'm almost embarrassed by Francis on behalf of the Papists. They really put a loose canon on the throne.
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Per Catholic theology though, when he speaks on theology and practices for the Church of Rome, is he not speaking on behalf of God, as the Vicar of Christ?
 
Dachaser said:
Per Catholic theology though, when he speaks on theology and practices for the Church of Rome, is he not speaking on behalf of God, as the Vicar of Christ?
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He is not speaking authoritatively or, as you say, "for God" all the time, regardless of the topic, but only when it is deemed "ex cathedra". This gives Catholics a back door when someone like Francis speaks foolishly.
 
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He is not speaking authoritatively or, as you say, "for God" all the time, regardless of the topic, all the time, but only when it is deemed "ex cathedra". This gives Catholics a back door when someone like Francis speaks foolishly.
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Thanks, as I did not know that the Pope is not considered to be infallible unless under certain situations.
 
Gforce9 said:
The following video is very pertinent to the discussion. In the Ligonier video, this guy spells out the radical shift in emphasis at Vatican II and that Francis is the embodiment of that council. It is worth the 20-25 minutes, for sure. The speaker is a Protestant with a pastorate and para-church in Rome.

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This guy is one of the two very best commentators on Roman Catholicism alive today, the other being Gregg Allison.
 
greenbaggins said:
This guy is one of the two very best commentators on Roman Catholicism alive today, the other being Gregg Allison.
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I'd include Dr. James White in that list, but yeah, I agree that all of those men know their stuff. Leonardo De Chirico has a great online resource named VaticanFiles.

I just a few minutes ago had a depressing discussion with an Arminian "Protestant" who believed that Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy were different "flavors" of Christianity but are equally true and not substantively different from classical Protestantism. Why did he think this? Because in his view the "Gospel" is just an ethical code of moral living. It seems like once you abandon monergism for any kind of synergism, Arminian or otherwise, you really lose the ground to oppose the Church of Rome. This person's theology was more similar to Erasmus than to any of the Reformers. Hopefully he has a personal relationship with Christ and just doesn't really understand what that means doctrinally speaking.
 
Gforce9 said:
In the Ligonier video, this guy spells out the radical shift in emphasis at Vatican II and that Francis is the embodiment of that council.
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It's my recollection that Benedict, not Francis, was a key player at Vatican II, and that Francis is betraying Benedict's work, not embodying it. Francis would have been about 26 when VII kicked off.

I'd identify Francis more with Liberation Theology rather than Vatican II theology, although he invokes VII to justify his actions.
 
Edward said:
It's my recollection that Benedict, not Francis, was a key player at Vatican II, and that Francis is betraying Benedict's work, not embodying it. Francis would have been about 26 when VII kicked off.

I'd identify Francis more with Liberation Theology rather than Vatican II theology, although he invokes VII to justify his actions.
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Check out the video. Leonardo di Chirico makes the case that V II included both.....
 
Haeralis said:
http://www.newsweek.com/does-hell-e...interview-could-change-catholic-church-866010

The Vatican predictably jumps into defense mode and denies that the interview ever happened. Even if he did not utter these remarks in an interview format, it doubtless represents the Pope's universalist leanings.

Consider:
https://www.opc.org/nh.html?article_id=722

https://timothyjhammons.com/2016/04/17/the-pope-embraces-universalism/

https://www.americamagazine.org/fai...-must-unite-against-intolerance-prejudice-and
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This is no surprise considering what we have seen from this pope in his time in office.

This is precisely why the church was never setup biblically to follow one man, but rather sola Scriptura!
 
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