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Because by nature he is the Son of God the Father. He is eternally generated by the Father. The Nicene Creed really make this clear when it says "Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father."
Because by nature he is the Son of God the Father. He is eternally generated by the Father. The Nicene Creed really make this clear when it says "Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father."
Thanks!!! How can he "by nature [be] the Son of God the Father"?
That is a very helpful observation. Never considered that.An everlasting Father logically must have an everlasting Son.
Because by nature he is the Son of God the Father. He is eternally generated by the Father. The Nicene Creed really make this clear when it says "Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father."
Thanks!!! How can he "by nature [be] the Son of God the Father"?
Jesus has the same nature or essence as the Father. Jesus and the Father have the same divine attributes.
Because Christ is the Godman, being very God of very God, and by assuming our human nature to himself, is very flesh of very flesh. So Paul wrote to the Ephesians, "Blessed be the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ." God was His God as to His human nature, and Father as to His divine nature. So then he is the Son of God, being coequal with the Father in essence ,power and glory. An everlasting Father logically must have an everlasting Son.
Because by nature he is the Son of God the Father. He is eternally generated by the Father. The Nicene Creed really make this clear when it says "Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father."
Thanks!!! How can he "by nature [be] the Son of God the Father"?
Jesus has the same nature or essence as the Father. Jesus and the Father have the same divine attributes.
Then why does it follow that he is the "son"? That is, if they share the same attributes they could also be "brothers", why does it follow that Jesus must be His "son"(Im NOT saying that as truth, but using it as an example to better understand the "nature")?
Because by nature he is the Son of God the Father. He is eternally generated by the Father. The Nicene Creed really make this clear when it says "Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father."
Thanks!!! How can he "by nature [be] the Son of God the Father"?
Jesus has the same nature or essence as the Father. Jesus and the Father have the same divine attributes.
Then why does it follow that he is the "son"? That is, if they share the same attributes they could also be "brothers", why does it follow that Jesus must be His "son"(Im NOT saying that as truth, but using it as an example to better understand the "nature")?
The word "Son" means "same nature." Think of the phrase, "like father, like son."
Jason,In what way is Jesus the "Son of God"?
Then why does it follow that he is the "son"? That is, if they share the same attributes they could also be "brothers", why does it follow that Jesus must be His "son"(Im NOT saying that as truth, but using it as an example to better understand the "nature")?
The orthodox doctrine as to the person of Christ, is that he from eternity has existed as the co–equal Son of the Father, constituted of the same infinite self–existent essence with the father and the Holy Spirit.Wow, that was very helpful, but to be honest, in some areas over my foolish head... It is for that reason I ask the following:
1. Has then Jesus always existed as the "son"? Was he the "Son" before he was born of Mary (on that note, did he have a body before the incarnation, and of not did he limit himself in anyways when he did?)?
Very few graphics adequately capture this sublime mystery of the Trinity. The most often used can be seen here:2. Is there a helpful info graphic on this anywhere?
3. Is there a summary that attempts to describe/explain the Trinity that is a lil longer that the standards that you might point me to? That is, is there something out there that is almost like a thesis that has with it a bit of detail?
4. Where would be a good place to start my reading? I was thinking perhaps Athanasius on the Incarnation so I can sort of chronologically start at the "beginning" of when the hairs were beginning to get split (as was indeed needed)?
The matter of what "begat" means was answered here and forward in my posts above.What is meant by the notion that God begat Jesus? At first glance this appears that in some way, Jesus would be inferior to God since he came after
That all persons of the Godhead are in fact, God, no inferiority is implied. There is an ordering among them as to roles, sometime called an economic ordering, but this is not an ontological ordering, as in some differences in their makeup (being). Just as the man is the head of his household (a role), this does not mean the man is somehow a different or greater being than is his wife or his children. All are ontologically human beings.
What systematic theology work are you using in your graduate seminary studies? I am asking because it seems to me that most of your questions would have been answered in any decent systematic theology textbook. What texts does Talbot Seminary use for its coursework along these lines?Ahhhhhh yes, economic ordering, good stuff. Thank you
That all persons of the Godhead are in fact, God, no inferiority is implied. There is an ordering among them as to roles, sometime called an economic ordering, but this is not an ontological ordering, as in some differences in their makeup (being). Just as the man is the head of his household (a role), this does not mean the man is somehow a different or greater being than is his wife or his children. All are ontologically human beings.
Ahhhhhh yes, economic ordering, good stuff. Thank you
And, I have fixed my signature