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    What is your Millennial Position?

    Since we are already talking about this issue, I thought we would do a poll to see where everyone on PB stands on this issue.
    Bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Backwoods Presbyterian View Post
    Post-Mill
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    Post Mil and Amil are close depending on whether or not you are an optimistic Amil or not and whether or not you hold to a literal 1000 year reign or not from the Post Mil position.

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    Amil
    Steve Curtis, DMin
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    See here.
    Tom Albrecht
    Grace & Peace PCA, Pottstown, PA.

    "When I find the time, I'm going to sit down and write the social history of bourbon."

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    Amil.

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    I believe that only the faithful baptist churches get raptured and then a 7yr tribulation for non baptist churches and non believers and then for a 1000 years Jesus will be in Jerusalem finally as King.

    ....

    Yes folks, that is actually a belief, though of course I don't believe that, Post-Mill-Powers-Activate
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    Amil

    Responding to Richard's suggestion on a similar thread that Amills are Postmills that lost their nerve, I say Amills are realistic Postmills.

    Yes, the Lord is gathering His Church, but the world still lies in the power of the evil one 1 John 5:19, and only when Christ returns then definitely things will really get better!
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    Quote Originally Posted by T.A.G. View Post
    I believe that only the faithful baptist churches get raptured and then a 7yr tribulation for non baptist churches and non believers and then for a 1000 years Jesus will be in Jerusalem finally as King.
    Yeah, and Jesus wrote the KJV. You had me going there for a minute.
    Bill
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    Postmill.
    N.F. Tyler, Hon. B.A. with Distinction (St. Michael's College, Toronto)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuritanCovenanter View Post
    Post Mil and Amil are close depending on whether or not you are an optimistic Amil or not and whether or not you hold to a literal 1000 year reign or not from the Post Mil position.
    Not to mention that the Premills may be Historical - more likely the ones here on the PB - or Dispensational Premills.

    On another thread there were also the Pan-Mills, the Saw-mills, the Other-Mills, etc....
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    Quote Originally Posted by discipulo View Post
    Amil

    Responding to Richard's suggestion on a similar thread that Amills are Postmills that lost their nerve, I say Amills are realistic Postmills.

    Yes, the Lord is gathering His Church, but the world still lies in the power of the evil one 1 John 5:19, and only when Christ returns then definitely things will really get better!
    I couldn't have said it better myself!
    Michael Cope
    Westminster Presbyterian Church - PCA (Covenanter by conviction)
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    I moved from Pretrib Premil => Prewrath Premil => Historic Premil => Amil. After being frustrated with doing my best to justify a Premil understanding I set aside the study of eschatology altogether. About a year latter while discussing the Premil coming of Christ with someone I realized the position just didn't make all that much sense.

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    Norm
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    Amil. Premil for most of my life; Amil last several years. Sortof when I became a man, I put away . . . Oh, never mind!

    Nevertheless, it must be admitted that Premils (at least of the dispensational kind) have all the cool charts, graphics, novels, stacks of totally certain books, exacting calendars, and scary movies. What do Amils have . . . nerdy seminary professors with European family names and a lot of "I don't knows." Man, what a ripoff.

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    Amil but strongly considering postmil.
    Dan
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    Amil
    John
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    "But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world."
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    I have previously said to my Premill brethren that the only advantage I can see of the Premill view is that it gives the church another 1000 years to baptise all the Paedobaptists before we all enter heaven.
    Stephen Smith
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen L Smith View Post
    I have previously said to my Premill brethren that the only advantage I can see of the Premill view is that it gives the church another 1000 years to baptise all the Paedobaptists before we all enter heaven.
    haha Greatness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen L Smith View Post
    I have previously said to my Premill brethren that the only advantage I can see of the Premill view is that it gives the church another 1000 years to baptise all the Paedobaptists before we all enter heaven.
    You mean that it will give the credos 1000 yrs. to repent of denying the covenant sign to their children before we all enter heaven.
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    It's helpful to divide premillennialism into:

    1) classical premillennialism
    2) modern dispensational premillennialism
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    Wow! Only 2 Premillenial people on the whole board after two days of this thread being open!

    If I had known that I would have never posted a thread asking for premillenial resources. I apologize. I didn't know ya'll were so anti premill. I certainly wasn't trying to start a stink. I honestly thought there were a lot of premil people here as well as the other views.

    This is obviously not a forum for me to discuss eschatology in so I will refrain from that forever more on the PB and stick to things we have in common. I am interested in eschatology so I will discuss it in other places with premillenial people so I can grow in that area though.
    David Doss
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osage Bluestem View Post
    This is obviously not a forum for me to discuss eschatology in so I will refrain from that forever more on the PB and stick to things we have in common. I am interested in eschatology so I will discuss it in other places with premillenial people so I can grow in that area though.
    I don't mind discussing and debating, in fact I enjoy it. You just have to keep in mind that most people are going to disagree with you about eschatology on the PB.
    Bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill The Baptist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Osage Bluestem View Post
    This is obviously not a forum for me to discuss eschatology in so I will refrain from that forever more on the PB and stick to things we have in common. I am interested in eschatology so I will discuss it in other places with premillenial people so I can grow in that area though.
    I don't mind discussing and debating, in fact I enjoy it. You just have to keep in mind that most people are going to disagree with you about eschatology on the PB.
    Thanks. I understand. However, I'm not really in a position to really debate eschatology as I haven't spent as much time in it as I should, so in that thread I was actually just looking for older and wiser premils to give me some resources.

    I think debate is great and healty for christians as long as it is understood to be constructive and not combative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osage Bluestem View Post
    Wow! Only 2 Premillenial people on the whole board after two days of this thread being open!

    If I had known that I would have never posted a thread asking for premillenial resources. I apologize. I didn't know ya'll were so anti premill. I certainly wasn't trying to start a stink. I honestly thought there were a lot of premil people here as well as the other views.

    This is obviously not a forum for me to discuss eschatology in so I will refrain from that forever more on the PB and stick to things we have in common. I am interested in eschatology so I will discuss it in other places with premillenial people so I can grow in that area though.


    No stink is taken, it is a touchy subject sometimes.

    A good question would be how many former pre-mills are now amill.
    Kent
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  30. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by torstar View Post
    A good question would be how many former pre-mills are now amill.
    Let's face it, Dispensationalism has ruined the Premillenial view. Many people may still lean towards a premill understanding, but they are so embarrased by the Dispy crowd that they have moved to amillenialism out of pure shame.
    Bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill The Baptist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by torstar View Post
    A good question would be how many former pre-mills are now amill.
    Let's face it, Dispensationalism has ruined the Premillenial view. Many people may still lean towards a premill understanding, but they are so embarrased by the Dispy crowd that they have moved to amillenialism out of pure shame.


    I don't want to recall a few chats I had back in the day with people trying to convince me of amill or other Reformed matters...

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    Bill nailed it. The premil view has a long and respectable history. Early church writers tended toward a naive premillennialism, unfettered by the distinctions and caveats of later writers, particularly the dispensational ones. Among the NT scholarly fraternity, premils often say that the "only reason" they continue to be premil is the difficulty of reading Rev. 20 otherwise.

    Schreiner is the rare example of a fellow who moved from the amil to the premil camp, most go in the opposite direction. In fact, I have known a number of folks who have moved from the premil to amil camps (like me), but Schreiner is just about the only one I can remember moving in the opposite direction.

    David, there are more premils on the PB than answered the survey. The real point of argument on PB typically concerns the differences between amil and postmil, even though the one is a subset of the other. Go figure. I guess we reserve our hottest rhetoric for those who differ from us yet are closest to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osage Bluestem View Post
    Wow! Only 2 Premillenial people on the whole board after two days of this thread being open!

    If I had known that I would have never posted a thread asking for premillenial resources. I apologize. I didn't know ya'll were so anti premill. I certainly wasn't trying to start a stink. I honestly thought there were a lot of premil people here as well as the other views.

    This is obviously not a forum for me to discuss eschatology in so I will refrain from that forever more on the PB and stick to things we have in common. I am interested in eschatology so I will discuss it in other places with premillenial people so I can grow in that area though.
    What I've learned here on the Board, and what was not clear to me in the past is that,

    Premillennialism assumes two resurrections, two separate events rather than the one event of the Westminster Standards (and that of the doctrine of Scripture).

    Also, modern dispensational premillennialism assumes only a physical resurrections, that is "resurrection" means physical resurrection only. Reformed uses "resurrection" as BOTH spiritual (the first death) and physical (when bodies are resurrected at the Second coming).

    Modern dispensational premillennialism is an extreme form of classical premillennialism, and the former is completely intertwined with dispensationalism, no way around it.

    I would have been surprised too, in the not distant past....
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    PAN-Mil...."it will all Pan-Out in the end!" ... (Actually Amil)...
    Gage Browning (Layman)
    Grace Community Presbyterian Church
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    Postmil. This survey seems to happen every six months on the PB.

    I think postmillennialism sometimes suffers from some of its advocates over-exaggerating the nature of the Golden Age before Christ's return, when it would be more accurate to posit a Silver Age.

    Heaven and the New Heavens and the New Earth will be Golden compared to the best of the postmillennial Silver Age.

    E.g. True Christians will still struggle with their weight during the Silver Age.

    Many Christians are already enjoying a Postmillennial lifestyle - in measure - even in our own day,

    but they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree, and no one shall make them afraid, for the mouth of the LORD of hosts has spoken. (Micah 4:4, ESV)
    although many believers don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMcFadden View Post
    Among the NT scholarly fraternity, premils often say that the "only reason" they continue to be premil is the difficulty of reading Rev. 30 otherwise.
    Yes, Revelation 30 has always proved a bit tricky exegetically . . .
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    Thanks in Christ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord View Post
    Pre Mil. Why Every Calvinist Should Be a Premillennialist
    I love Macarthur as much as anyone, but in this area he is a dispensationalist through and through.
    Bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord View Post
    Pre Mil. Why Every Calvinist Should Be a Premillennialist
    And Sam Waldron's response to MacArthur:

    Amazon.com: MacArthur's Millennial Manifesto (9780980217926): Samuel E. Waldron: Books
    Steve Curtis, DMin
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    Living in South Africa

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    I would say I am Amil, although I don't know if belief in a literal earthly kingdom of the Lord Jesus disqualify me as Amillennial.
    Manuel Rivas
    Merritt Island, Fl

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