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I recently picked up this from Liberty Fund.
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Originally Posted by Spear Dane I recently picked up this from Liberty Press.  | Who are Liberty Press?
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Originally Posted by Spear Dane I recently picked up this from Liberty Press.  | Who are Liberty Press? | oops. I should have said Liberty Fund
Liberty Fund, Inc. is a private, educational foundation established to encourage the study of the ideal of a society of free and responsible individuals. The Foundation develops, supervises, and finances its own educational activities to foster thought and encourage discourse on enduring issues pertaining to liberty. This is done through the implementation of different programs:
They publish anything ranging from defenses of the Old South to to exploring Foundations of early America. I would say they represent a strain of thought in European history that emphasises the ancient rights of free men before God.
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Originally Posted by Pilgrim | I saw it yesterday. It was either Burke or Acton at the moment. I plan to pick Burke up, though.
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Originally Posted by Pilgrim | Yep but I prefer de Maistre
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Originally Posted by Pilgrim | Yep but I prefer de Maistre | Burke was a bit of a papist sympathizer.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie Burke was a bit of a papist sympathizer.  | As was de Maistre
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Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie Burke was a bit of a papist sympathizer.  | As was de Maistre  | In fairness, people like Burke were more afraid of the atheism of the Jacobites; they no longer saw Rome as much of a threat. To me there all as bad as each other.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie In fairness, people like Burke were more afraid of the atheism of the Jacobites; they no longer saw Rome as much of a threat. To me there all as bad as each other. | Maistre argued for a united Europe under the.......... yep you've guessed it, that nice jovial chap, the pope. Other than that he was fine.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie In fairness, people like Burke were more afraid of the atheism of the Jacobites; they no longer saw Rome as much of a threat. To me there all as bad as each other. | Maistre argued for a united Europe under the.......... yep you've guessed it, that nice jovial chap, the pope. Other than that he was fine. | That does not fill me with confidence.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie That does not fill me with confidence.  | His biggest fear was instability and regicide (he was writing during the French revolution). His book Essay on the Generative Principle of Political Constitutions is worth a read if you can get access to it. An extract: The more we examine the influence of human agency in the formation of political constitutions, the greater will be our conviction that it enters there only in a manner infinitely subordinate, or as a simple instrument; and I do not believe there remains the least doubt of the incontestable truth of the following propositions: - 1. That the fundamental principles of political constitutions exist before all written law. 2. That a constitutional law is, and can only be, the development or sanction of an unwritten pre-existing right. 3. That which is most essential, most intrinsically constitutional, and truly fundamental, is never written, and could not be, without endangering the state. 4. That the weakness and fragility of a constitution are actually in direct proportion to the multiplicity of written constitutional articles.
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To this general rule, that no constitution can be made or written, à priori, we know of but one single exception; that is, the legislation of Moses. This alone was cast, so to speak, like a statue, and written out, even to its minutest details, by a wonderful man, who said, Fiat! without his work ever having need of being corrected, improved, or in any way modified, by himself or others. This, alone, has set time at defiance, because it owed nothing to time, and expected nothing from it; this alone has lived fifteen hundred years; and even after eighteen new centuries have passed over it, since the great anathema which smote it on the fated day, we see it, enjoying, if I may say so, a second life, binding still, by I know not what mysterious bond, which has no human name, the different families of a people, which remain dispersed without being disunited. So that, like attraction, and by the same power, it acts at a distance, and makes one whole, of many parts widely separated from each other. Thus, this legislation lies evidently, for every intelligent conscience, beyond the circle traced around human power; and this magnificent exception to a general law, which has only yielded once, and yielded only to its Author, alone demonstrates the Divine mission of the great Hebrew Lawgiver....
But, since every constitution is divine in its principle, it follows, that man can do nothing in this way, unless he reposes himself upon God, whose instrument he then becomes. Now, this is a truth, to which the whole human race in a body have ever rendered the most signal testimony. Examine history, which is experimental politics, and we shall there invariably find the cradle of nations surrounded by priests, and the Divinity constantly invoked to the aid of human weakness....
Man in relation with his Creator is sublime, and his action is creative: on the contrary, so soon as he separates himself from God, and acts alone, he does not cease to be powerful, for this is a privilege of his nature; but his action is negative, and tends only to destroy....
There is not in the history of all ages a single fact which contradicts these maxims. No human institution can endure unless supported by the Hand which supports all; that is to say, if it is not especially consecrated to Him at its origin. The more it is penetrated with the Divine principle, the more durable it will be.
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Interesting view of Biblical civil law.
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