Covenant, Justification and Pastoral Ministry

Daniel Ritchie · #1 (**permalink**) 01-21-2008, 01:27 PM

Just got this in Belfast today; anyone else read it?

AV1611 · #2 (**permalink**) 01-21-2008, 02:13 PM

Yep, I thought it was very good although some of the earlier chapters went a little over my head due to the Greek and Hebrew.

greenbaggins · #3 (**permalink**) 01-21-2008, 02:15 PM

It is an extremely helpful book, in my opinion.

greenbaggins · #4 (**permalink**) 01-21-2008, 02:16 PM

P.S. I especially enjoyed the articles by Duguid, Van Drunen/Clark, and Clark.

pilgrim2 · #5 (**permalink**) 01-21-2008, 02:25 PM

Great book!

Daniel Ritchie · #6 (**permalink**) 01-21-2008, 03:08 PM

Everyone loves it!!

greenbaggins · #7 (**permalink**) 01-21-2008, 03:09 PM

Except the FV. I expect that the NPP guys don't like it very much either.

Daniel Ritchie · #8 (**permalink**) 01-21-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by greenbaggins

Except the FV. I expect that the NPP guys don't like it very much either.

Well, I was talking about PB members.

Poimen · #9 (**permalink**) 01-21-2008, 03:25 PM

Daniel:

The book was well done and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Daniel Ritchie · #10 (**permalink**) 01-21-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Poimen

Daniel:

The book was well done and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Another thumbs-up

Staphlobob · #11 (**permalink**) 01-21-2008, 03:54 PM

My elder has it and recommends it. He says it's quite scholarly with perhaps more footnotes than actual text (a good thing). And when he's finished he will lend it to me.

Theogenes · #12 (**permalink**) 01-24-2008, 01:19 PM

I'm reading it right now and it's excellent!

Stephen · #13 (**permalink**) 01-24-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie

Just got this in Belfast today; anyone else read it?

I have started it but not read through the entire book. I really like it and would highly recommend it. Scott is a great theolog (a term Robert Reymond used in systematics at Knox Seminary).

Daniel Ritchie · #14 (**permalink**) 01-24-2008, 05:11 PM

When I finish John Frame's book I will have to start it.

Stephen · #15 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie

When I finish John Frame's book I will have to start it.

I hope you do not buy into his view of the regulative principle

Daniel Ritchie · #16 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

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Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie

When I finish John Frame's book I will have to start it.

I hope you do not buy into his view of the regulative principle

No; and double no.

CarlosOliveira · #17 (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Theogenes

I'm reading it right now and it's excellent!

ADKing · #18 (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 09:08 PM

For a healthy critique of this book, I encourage you to read Rev. Mark Garcia's review No Reformed Doctrine of Justification

Also, his recent lectures at the Thirteenth Annual Lynnwood Reformed Conference address many of these issues, and I think are valuable. Lynnwood Orthodox Presbyterian Church (under: audio-13th conference)

Not everyone in the anti-FV reformed camp is convinced the direction of this book is the best way to answer FV.

Backwoods Presbyterian · #19 (**permalink**) 05-09-2008, 09:23 PM

Another book for me to buy... My wife is going to kill me.

greenbaggins · #20 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 10:33 AM

Mark Garcia has now published his study of Calvin's duplex gratia soteriology. Pricey, but worth it.

CarlosOliveira · #21 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ADKing

For a healthy critique of this book, I encourage you to read Rev. Mark Garcia's review No Reformed Doctrine of Justification

Also, his recent lectures at the Thirteenth Annual Lynnwood Reformed Conference address many of these issues, and I think are valuable. Lynnwood Orthodox Presbyterian Church (under: audio-13th conference)

Not everyone in the anti-FV reformed camp is convinced the direction of this book is the best way to answer FV.

Thanks Rev. King for pointing this helpful review. It was an enlightning reading!

py3ak · #22 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 04:44 PM

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Now, it needs to be mentioned that the problem here is not merely historical but the inevitable neglect of the theological benefit of Reformed theology on this point. Put most concisely, appreciating the biblical truth that sanctification does not result from justification, but is an aspect, like justification, of our union with Christ, alone safeguards the doctrine of justification against the Roman Catholic error. If we argue, with CJPM, that justification is the cause of sanctification, then we attribute to justification a generative, transformational quality (in that sanctification is generated or produced by justification) and thus, ironically in view of the driving concern in CJPM, compromise the purely forensic character of justification, its nature as a declarative act rather than the beginning of a work. This is the liability of the Lutheran model, but it is a liability that is entirely avoided in the Reformed model according to which justification and sanctification come to us as distinct, inseparable, simultaneous benefits of union with Christ, rather than one coming from the other (cf. WLC 69). CJPM urges a model which could have been pulled directly from the Formula of Concord. The Reformed model, however, best reflects the Apostle Paul’s own as it is expressed, for instance, in 1 Corinthians 1:30.

That was indeed a very interesting review. Have any of the contributors to CJPM responded to it at all?

Poimen · #23 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 06:24 PM

Ruben:

See here.

py3ak · #24 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 06:26 PM

Thanks!

Daniel Ritchie · #25 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Poimen

Ruben:

See here.

Where does Mr Garcia teach?