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List of Pro-FV Churches?

Okay, I know of the CREC churches, but can we start a list of known Pro-FV churches in the OPC and PCA and other denominations?

This is mainly out of curiosity to see how wide spread the doctrine is, I guess.
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Okay, I know of the CREC churches, but can we start a list of known Pro-FV churches in the OPC and PCA and other denominations?

This is mainly out of curiosity to see how wide spread the doctrine is, I guess.

That is an interesting question. Does anyone know of any Federal Visionists outside the United States and Canada?
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Old 10-30-2007, 01:24 PM
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To start with ... Auburn Avenue Presbyterian Church (PCA) in Monroe, LA.
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I am in Houston and am pretty sure that none of the PCA churches in our area would be considered pro-FV. I know that some have remained silent on the issue, but none actively teach the doctrine.

Here is one... Horne and Meyer's church
Providence Reformed Presbyterian Church (PCA), St. Louis, Missouri.
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I don't like the idea of making a list of "pro-FV" churches. Who decides what defines 'pro"?

I have heard some condemned because they did not object with enough enthusiasm to the latest bad guy. Criticise a doctrine all you want. Refute it with the scripture and confessions. Rebuke those that you have authority/responsibility over/for. By all means argue with conviction and passion, but to make up a list of sympathizers. I say no. Bad idea.
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Cool, I can understand that. Like I said, it was more out of curiosity than anything.
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Does anyone know of any Federal Visionists outside the United States and Canada?
There is a little group at Oak Hill where David Field lectures.
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There is one in Kirkland,Wa there called Trinity church I think.
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There is one in Kirkland,Wa there called Trinity church I think.
Yes, there is a Trinity Church in Kirkland, whose old website said it was a charter member of the CREC.

But it is not to be confused with our sister church: Trinity Reformed Baptist Church, also in Kirkland. It's too bad the usurpers took the same name.
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Yes I didnt mean to confues If I did
Nate, I knew you weren't confused, but some of the locals are.
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I am going to go out on a limb here and say:

Christ Church (Moscow, ID) CREC
Trinity Reformed Church (Moscow, ID) CREC
Christ Reformed Church (Meeker, CO) CREC
Trinity Covenant Church (Witchita, KS) CREC
Reformation Covenant Church of Southern Oregon (Oregon City, OR) CREC
Trinity Presbyterian Church (Birmingham, AL) CREC
Grace Covenant Church (Nacogdoches, TX) CREC
Mitaka Evangelical Church (Nakamachi, Musashino-shi, Tokyo, Japan) CREC
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I am going to go out on a limb here and say:

Christ Church (Moscow, ID) CREC
Trinity Reformed Church (Moscow, ID) CREC
Christ Reformed Church (Meeker, CO) CREC
Trinity Covenant Church (Witchita, KS) CREC
Reformation Covenant Church of Southern Oregon (Oregon City, OR) CREC
Trinity Presbyterian Church (Birmingham, AL) CREC
Grace Covenant Church (Nacogdoches, TX) CREC
Mitaka Evangelical Church (Nakamachi, Musashino-shi, Tokyo, Japan) CREC

There is a FV sympathetic church here in the Greater Wichita area. I don't know the name but I think it is CREC affiliated.
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It might be the one I listed, but I am pretty sure the one I listed is Pro-FV not JUST sympathetic. Don't quote me on it though.
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It might be the one I listed, but I am pretty sure the one I listed is Pro-FV not JUST sympathetic. Don't quote me on it though.
Yeah but you didn't spell Wichita correctly.
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What you say is correct
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Is there a list of pro-FV congregations that also pray imprecatory prayers (curses) against churches and others who criticize them? I am not making this up. It happens.
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I am going to go out on a limb here and say:

Christ Church (Moscow, ID) CREC
Trinity Reformed Church (Moscow, ID) CREC
Christ Reformed Church (Meeker, CO) CREC
Trinity Covenant Church (Witchita, KS) CREC
Reformation Covenant Church of Southern Oregon (Oregon City, OR) CREC
Trinity Presbyterian Church (Birmingham, AL) CREC
Grace Covenant Church (Nacogdoches, TX) CREC
Mitaka Evangelical Church (Nakamachi, Musashino-shi, Tokyo, Japan) CREC
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Okay, I know of the CREC churches, but can we start a list of known Pro-FV churches in the OPC and PCA and other denominations?
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There are many and/or most PCA churches in the St. Louis area who at least sympathetic to FV. I know of one in particular that is not sympathetic (Heritage Presbyterian Church).
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Has the Federal Vision got any adherents in the RPCNA?
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Has the Federal Vision got any adherents in the RPCNA?
Anthony Cowley, who left the denomination, is the only person I can think of. The FV controversy started in the RP, because it hosted Norman Shepherd's controversial lectures, but I don't think it took root there.
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This almost seems like a Mafia hit list.
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Has the Federal Vision got any adherents in the RPCNA?
No, the RPCNA does not seem to be affected by this heresy. I would add to the list the following: Calvary OPC in Schenectady, New York, Covenant PCA in Sulphur, Louisiana, and John Knox PCA in Ruston, Louisiana.
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Has the Federal Vision got any adherents in the RPCNA?
No, the RPCNA does not seem to be affected by this heresy. I would add to the list the following: Calvary OPC in Schenectady, New York, Covenant PCA in Sulphur, Louisiana, and John Knox PCA in Ruston, Louisiana.
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Calvary OPC in Schenectady, New York
Interesting. To my knowledge, the OPC has laid down the gauntlet stating that any minister who supported FV would be brought up on charges, and defrocked if found guilty.

Am I correct on this?
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Calvary OPC in Schenectady, New York
Interesting. To my knowledge, the OPC has laid down the gauntlet stating that any minister who supported FV would be brought up on charges, and defrocked if found guilty.

Am I correct on this?