Horton endorses Leithart's latest book.. - Page 3

Stephen · #81 (**permalink**) 01-15-2008, 04:22 PM

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I saw in a thread recently that GreenBaggins is a friend or personally knows Doug Wilson. I find this disturbing that he is associating with a known heretic. Perhaps we should tar and feather him and put him on a stake outside the PCA offices in Atlanta. We should not tolerate this behavior.

One problem with that idea.......he lives in North Dakota!!! I try not to go any farther north than the Red River. Since you're in Nova Scotia, maybe you can swing by and pick him up? We'll meet you in Atlanta.

Sounds good. I will meet you in Atlanta.

Stephen · #82 (**permalink**) 01-15-2008, 04:27 PM

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I saw in a thread recently that GreenBaggins is a friend or personally knows Doug Wilson. I find this disturbing that he is associating with a known heretic. Perhaps we should tar and feather him and put him on a stake outside the PCA offices in Atlanta. We should not tolerate this behavior.

I am glad I am not in the PCA; your church discipline sounds extreme.

I thought that living in North Dakoka WAS the church discipline.

danmpem · #83 (**permalink**) 01-15-2008, 04:47 PM

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I saw in a thread recently that GreenBaggins is a friend or personally knows Doug Wilson. I find this disturbing that he is associating with a known heretic. Perhaps we should tar and feather him and put him on a stake outside the PCA offices in Atlanta. We should not tolerate this behavior.

I am glad I am not in the PCA; your church discipline sounds extreme.

I thought that living in North Dakoka WAS the church discipline.

Stephen · #84 (**permalink**) 01-15-2008, 05:11 PM

I have a solution to settling this debate. I recommend that we appoint a committee of five brothers to approach Michael Horton and ask him why he recommended the book. The committee would report their findings to all of us in this discussion and that should settle our concerns. I recommend that we appoint Jacob to be the chairman of this committee. Do I hear a second on appointing a committee of five with Jacob as the Chairman?

Pilgrim · #85 (**permalink**) 01-15-2008, 05:15 PM

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I just picked up Leithart's latest book "Solomon Amongst the Postmoderns" and was shocked to see an endorsement from him on the back. That is all...

Horton's latest has an endorsement from postmoderist John Franke. I wonder what that means?

Is this book part of the series of academic books by Horton that are published by WJK press? If so that may have something to do with it.

DMcFadden · #86 (**permalink**) 01-15-2008, 05:15 PM

You Presby brothers sure do like committees, don't you? Why doesn't someone who knows Dr. Horton simply e-mail him and ask the question?

Ivanhoe · #87 (**permalink**) 01-15-2008, 05:18 PM

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I have a solution to settling this debate. I recommend that we appoint a committee of five brothers to approach Michael Horton and ask him why he recommended the book. The committee would report their findings to all of us in this discussion and that should settle our concerns. I recommend that we appoint Jacob to be the chairman of this committee. Do I hear a second on appointing a committee of five with Jacob as the Chairman?

If nominated, I will not run.
If elected, I will not serve.

Ivanhoe · #88 (**permalink**) 01-15-2008, 05:19 PM

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You Presby brothers sure do like committees, don't you? Why doesn't someone who knows Dr. Horton simply e-mail him and ask the question?

Conspiracy theory theology is a lot more exciting.

Stephen · #89 (**permalink**) 01-15-2008, 05:19 PM

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You Presby brothers sure do like committees, don't you? Why doesn't someone who knows Dr. Horton simply e-mail him and ask the question?

I am in favor of that, but don't we need to appoint someone to email him?

Pilgrim · #90 (**permalink**) 01-15-2008, 05:33 PM

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You Presby brothers sure do like committees, don't you? Why doesn't someone who knows Dr. Horton simply e-mail him and ask the question?

Conspiracy theory theology is a lot more exciting.

Yeah, it's almost as exciting as conspiracy theory politics!

Ivanhoe · #91 (**permalink**) 01-15-2008, 05:36 PM

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You Presby brothers sure do like committees, don't you? Why doesn't someone who knows Dr. Horton simply e-mail him and ask the question?

Conspiracy theory theology is a lot more exciting.

Yeah, it's almost as exciting as conspiracy theory politics!

touche!

Daniel Ritchie · #92 (**permalink**) 01-15-2008, 05:52 PM

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The reports of my excommunication for fraternising with humans have been greatly exaggerated.

danmpem · #93 (**permalink**) 01-16-2008, 12:54 AM

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You Presby brothers sure do like committees, don't you? Why doesn't someone who knows Dr. Horton simply e-mail him and ask the question?

Who here has even read the book?

Ivanhoe · #94 (**permalink**) 01-16-2008, 07:13 AM

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You Presby brothers sure do like committees, don't you? Why doesn't someone who knows Dr. Horton simply e-mail him and ask the question?

Who here has even read the book?

I have read other non-FV stuff by Leithart so I felt qualified to talk. I probably won't read the book because I am not interested in Pomo right now (although I have a book seller in town, and if the book is under ten dollars, I will read it).

Ivanhoe · #95 (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 04:22 PM

For better or worse, I have read the book (just finished it today). It was interesting. It corrected some misunderstandings I had about postmodernism, and pointed me to some critiques of it that I haven't seen anyone else raise (for instance, pomo lives in sustained anti-climax because while following Marxist categories, it denies a Marxist--or any--eschatology. The end result for a pomo is an eternal dystopia).

I didn't see anything radical in the book. I looked hard for denials of justification by faith, and found none. Likewise, while it was a good book, if that were the only book someone had read by Leithart, it is doubtful they would come to the conclusion, "Wow, I must read everything this guy has written." It was good, but not that good.

Extra thoughts:
The critique of democracy was quite good.
The reading of hebel as vapor, instead of vanity, made better sense of Ecclesiastes. Think: If God is a God of order and meaning, and his universe has meaning because it is his universe, then it seems counter-productive for holy writ to say it is meaningless.

I would give the book 4/5 stars.

Jim_Johnston · #96 (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 04:32 PM

Kevin J. Vanhoozer has done excellent work on postmoderinism and its inroads into hermeneutics and meaning. He's a brilliant theologian.

Ivanhoe · #97 (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 04:39 PM

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Kevin J. Vanhoozer has done excellent work on postmoderinism and its inroads into hermeneutics and meaning. He's a brilliant theologian.

I just started reading Vanhoozer and listening to his messages. Very good stuff.

Jim_Johnston · #98 (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 04:46 PM

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Kevin J. Vanhoozer has done excellent work on postmoderinism and its inroads into hermeneutics and meaning. He's a brilliant theologian.

I just started reading Vanhoozer and listening to his messages. Very good stuff.

This one's also a good resource.

The Cambridge Companion to Postmodern Theology - Cambridge University Press

Ivanhoe · #99 (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil

Kevin J. Vanhoozer has done excellent work on postmoderinism and its inroads into hermeneutics and meaning. He's a brilliant theologian.

I just started reading Vanhoozer and listening to his messages. Very good stuff.

This one's also a good resource.

The Cambridge Companion to Postmodern Theology - Cambridge University Press

It's next on my list.

Paul,
How many of the "Cambridge Companion" series would you might have? They have always looked interesting but I have never bought one.

Jim_Johnston · #**100** (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 04:57 PM

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I just started reading Vanhoozer and listening to his messages. Very good stuff.

This one's also a good resource.

The Cambridge Companion to Postmodern Theology - Cambridge University Press

It's next on my list.

Paul,
How many of the "Cambridge Companion" series would you might have? They have always looked interesting but I have never bought one.

Only a few. I happen to like the Blackwell Companions and the Oxford Handbooks a lot.

I just started this page a couple months ago, and I'm just getting started loading things on to it, but you can ckeck out some of my books on my good reads site:

Goodreads | Paul's profile

Christusregnat · #**101** (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 05:04 PM

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Yes, Dr. Horton has better things to do, and we all have better books to read on both Postmodernism

That begs the question. Perhaps there are other books that we should read on PM, but you can't determine that with your a priori judgments. Why turn down a .44 magnum just because it has a lot of recoil?

Leithart's book Against Christianity was a tour de force against post-liberal theologians Lindbeck and Milbank (men whom the larger scholarly world take seriously). They are not easy reads and even worse, Milbank's challenges to evangelicalism and calvinism, while I think wrong-headed, are not easily dismissed.

EDIT: I say this as someone who probably won't read Leithart's book due to time and money constraints.

It is interesting that the ONE man that Leithart acknowledged as understanding his basic point in "Against Christianity" was John Robbins:

Here are Robbins' thoughts:

Trinity Foundation: Explaining God, man, Bible, salvation, philosophy, theology.

Here's Leithart's response:

Leithart.com | Robbins and <i>Against Christianity</i>

Cheers,

Adam