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I was wondering where FV would stand on a list of systems of thought, for instance, is it better to be conservative Lutheran or FV? and so on
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I was wondering where FV would stand on a list of systems of thought, for instance, is it better to be conservative Lutheran or FV? and so on
[I][B]~ Charles Stephen Barribeau ~[/B][/I]
:vantil:[URL="http://christ-opc.org/default.aspx"][B]Christ Presbyterian Church[/B] [/URL], [B]OPC[/B] (They sing alot of Psalms!)
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I know there are many variations, but I just want to see hypothetical opinions
[I][B]~ Charles Stephen Barribeau ~[/B][/I]
:vantil:[URL="http://christ-opc.org/default.aspx"][B]Christ Presbyterian Church[/B] [/URL], [B]OPC[/B] (They sing alot of Psalms!)
[B]:manton:Original Westminster Standards[/B] (I need to study more...)
:gillespie:[B]The Puritans were best! Also... I NEED TO READ MORE!!![/B]
:calvin:[B]Philipians1:29(KJV) For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;[/B]
[B]Janesville, Wisconsin[/B] [I][B](In the fellowship of Bob Vigneault and Matt+Megan Meisberger)[/B][/I]
Puritanboard Doctor
You ask what amounts to two different questions. I can't recommend either choice although no doubt the Lord has his people among both camps. It could be said that the FV is more dangerous because they claim to the true representatives of the Reformed tradition.
Chris
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charliejunfan (11-21-2008), Semper Fidelis (11-21-2008)
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I also think the question interesting since Luther is in the target hairs of the FV. But please don't think this is a criticism, I think the larger question is worth discussing..
Tim Vaughan
Member, Redeemer Presbyterian, OPC,
Santa Maria
California
Originally Posted by Pilgrim
The Lutherans don't claim to be something they are not so there is no danger of blurring or co-opting important theological headers. I agree with Lane Keister who noted in an interview that he thinks there might be a bit less friction with the FV camp once they are not within the NAPARC congregations trying to re-define the Reformed faith. They need to stand apart and clearly state who they are - not Reformed on many key points.
I also think Lutheranism has had a few centuries to get its Systematics nailed down. The FV is a loose set of novel ideas that tries to cut and paste some Reformed dogmatics, re-cast a little here and there, and patchwork some ideas together. If they ever get around to systematizing their theology it will be easier to determine how dangerous they really are.
Rich
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Student, New Geneva Theological Seminary
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calgal (11-22-2008), charliejunfan (11-21-2008)
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As far as I know,
Lutherans hold a biblical Gospel
Federal Vision, at best, confuses the Gospel, at worst denies it
Nothing is more precious than the Gospel.
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This is a very good point.
In the Book of Concord (including the Augsburg Confession Art 4) the Lutherans Churches confess the same gospel as we. How do I know? Because the Harmony of Reformed Confessions (1580) included the Augsburg Confession! Calvin signed the Augsburg.
When it comes to the Reformation Solas we are one.
That cannot be said of the FV.
We have genuine disagreements with the confessional Lutherans on Christology, on reprobation, on resistibility of grace, on Christology, on worship, and on the Supper to name a few things. Nevertheless, we have a fundamental agreement as to what the gospel is.
The FV is a dangerous movement for the reasons specified but chief among them is that they either blur or outrightly deny the gospel.
If you're not familiar with the literature on this question you can start here.
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[URL="http://clark.wscal.edu"]Westminster Seminary California[/URL]
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Thank you guys
[I][B]~ Charles Stephen Barribeau ~[/B][/I]
:vantil:[URL="http://christ-opc.org/default.aspx"][B]Christ Presbyterian Church[/B] [/URL], [B]OPC[/B] (They sing alot of Psalms!)
[B]:manton:Original Westminster Standards[/B] (I need to study more...)
:gillespie:[B]The Puritans were best! Also... I NEED TO READ MORE!!![/B]
:calvin:[B]Philipians1:29(KJV) For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;[/B]
[B]Janesville, Wisconsin[/B] [I][B](In the fellowship of Bob Vigneault and Matt+Megan Meisberger)[/B][/I]
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