At the Pilgrims & Parish blog: Rome Sweet Home—Redux

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Rev. Daniel R. Hyde
Pastor, Oceanside United Reformed Church, Carlsbad/Oceanside, California
Th.M. candidate, Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary

This taken from the article:

Homesick No More
Ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. - Jeremiah 6:16
Monday, August 27, 2007
On How The Federal Vision Made Me Catholic

So there's much hubbub lately about the Federal Vision controversy. The conservative reformed world is fast becoming a house divided against itself over the issues of the reality of the sacraments and what they confer upon the recipient and the real possibility of apostasy.

Having been myself a member of both a Federal Vision community (lo, I am a pharisee of pharisees coming from Christ Church itself, the very Mecca of the FV movement) and a non-FV reformed community (OPC to be precise) and now a communing Catholic (in that order) I have thought about the question a fair bit. I still keep up on the matter, though through a glass dimly, mostly because the ideas of the preachers of the FV movement were largely the ideas that lead me to be accepted into the Catholic Church.




It appears he has proved out to be a Hebrew 6 and 10 apostate. What an abominable doctrine FV is.

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1689 Baptist Confession

Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
James Farley, Wilderness Road Baptist Assembly.
Husband of Melissa and father of Ann.
www.wildernessroadbaptist.org

Sad.

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Fredrick T. Greco
Senior Pastor, Christ Church PCA (Katy, TX)
Christ Church Blog

"The heart is the main thing in true religion...It is the hinge and turning-point in the condition of man's soul. If the heart is alive to God and quickened by the Spirit, the man is a living Christian. If the heart is dead and has not the Spirit, the man is dead before God." (J.C. Ryle)

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Josh Hicks, Chloë's Daddy
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Very sad indeed.

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Richard
CofE
UK

I can't link the site from this computer. What is his name?

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J. B. Atken
John Knox PCA
Layman, M.A. student at Louisiana College

Matt Yonke

* Age: 27
* Gender: Male
* Astrological Sign: Leo
* Zodiac Year: Monkey
* Industry: Construction
* Occupation: Electrician
* Location: Wheaton : Illinois : United States

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Bob Vigneault (Bawb Vēēn-yo)
I just know there's got to be a pony in here somewhere!

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I wonder how many FV'ers going to Rome will it take to make the connection clear to those in the FV?

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Anne Ivy
Christ Chapel Bible Church
Fort Worth, Texas

Married to Don, mother of six, grandmother to an ever-increasing brood.

The Ivy Vine (my blog)

Are there any numbers anywhere of how many who held to FV have crossed the Tiber?

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Richard
CofE
UK

Now wouldn't that be a handy statistic?!

But I dare say they all are standing at least ankle deep in the water.

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~James Helbert~, Wytheville, VA
Providence Reformed Presbyterian Church, RPCUS
TheBibleAlone.com / The Edinburgh Inn
"Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?” - Zechariah 3:2

Its all coming together now. Rome has always had a strong pull on Leo electricians.

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Scott Roberts
Ruling Elder, Lakeside Presbyterian Church (PCA)
Southlake, Texas

I suspect those who are 'left beind' in the FV will deride those leaving to Rome as "not really understanding FV", just as those who have left FV to go back to Orthodoxy have been lambasted.

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Todd K. Pedlar
member, First Congregational Church, (CCCC) Cresco, IA
http://semperubi.rtrc.net

"Many men, after a long conversion, see more of the workings of sin in their hearts than ever they did before or at their first conversion. Now, such men have not an increase of sin, but an increase of illumination and light" (Christopher Love)


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No doubt. Noody seems to understand it except those who believe it.

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Scott Roberts
Ruling Elder, Lakeside Presbyterian Church (PCA)
Southlake, Texas

"...I suspect those who are 'left beind' in the FV will deride those leaving to Rome as "not really understanding FV"

Oh, yes, that's exactly what I've read.

As for precise numbers, I wish I did. Trouble is, I daresay we're only aware of few of those who have ridden the FV-to-Rome Express. Unless they've had an internet presence, no one would know outside their immediate circle.

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Anne Ivy
Christ Chapel Bible Church
Fort Worth, Texas

Married to Don, mother of six, grandmother to an ever-increasing brood.

The Ivy Vine (my blog)

According to posts at GreenBaggins, this has received a response from Wilson.

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Chris Coldwell, Lakewood Presbyterian Church (PCA), Member
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The Regulative Principle: Samuel Miller gives a succinct statement of this principle when he writes that since the Scriptures are the “only infallible rule of faith and practice, no rite or ceremony ought to have a place in the public worship of God, which is not warranted in Scripture, either by direct precept or example, or by good and sufficient inference.”

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Can anyone find Wilson's response on the net?

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Scott Roberts
Ruling Elder, Lakeside Presbyterian Church (PCA)
Southlake, Texas

Puritan Board 2.0.

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1689 Baptist Confession

Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
James Farley, Wilderness Road Baptist Assembly.
Husband of Melissa and father of Ann.
www.wildernessroadbaptist.org

I responded to that remark.

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Josh Hicks, Chloë's Daddy
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I hope it posts, but just in case it doesn't, tell us what you said.

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1689 Baptist Confession

Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
James Farley, Wilderness Road Baptist Assembly.
Husband of Melissa and father of Ann.
www.wildernessroadbaptist.org

He is a first-time commenter, and so his post was (briefly) held for moderation. It is now up here. Stewart is normally unbelievably ignorant and stupid. But, as Josh said, this is a tremendous compliment.

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Rev. Lane Keister
Teaching Elder, PCA, North Dakota (working out of bounds in a CRC and an RCA church)
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Rev. Lane, feel free to edit my comment to show 'Rev' instead of 'Bro', because that's what I would have intended to put.

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Josh Hicks, Chloë's Daddy
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Am I wrong that the main proponents of the FV teaching for the most part haven't left their reformed churches for Rome, but those who sit under the teachings are? Are the teachings being misunderstood, is that why people are leaving - if not, what is keeping FV teachers from also disserting the reformed faith?

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Bob Howes
Framingham, MA

A reoccurring thought:

Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.