Coach Fired for winning 100-0!

I really don't care whether it's a Christian school or not. You play to win. It's hard tell athletes to turn off their competitive juices in the midst of the game. The real question is why the coach of the losing team wasn't fired!

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WHAT! That is ridiculous. If a team is that good, they should be happy to win like that.

My daughter's church basketball team recently slaughtered an opponent 44-3, and the comment made by one of the ref's was this. "I have never seen a group of girls win so graciously and yet still play so hard. They never let up, even when it was clear they were going to win." A similar comment was made by the coach of the other team. The coach of the other team added. "My girls found it a pleasure to lose to your team."

Whoever asked that coach to step down should lose his job.

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I don't imagine he'll have a hard time finding a new job. But that school might have a hard time finding another good coach.

This is a reflection of psychobabble's influence on "christianity." Next they won't let kids fail tests.

It is interesting that the character of the winning team was not mentioned. It is quite possible that throughout the game the mismatch was clearly recognized and that both teams played with respect and graciousness toward one another. Let's face it, if any of us played Michael Jordan one on one we'd get whipped. We might not even score. That wouldn't be his problem, unless he was a jerk about it.

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Yeah lets teach our athlets not to do all they can do for the glory of God, hold back a bit.
I would not want to loose 40-0 if I knew it was because the other team sleept the rest of the game.
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I know this is silly--not Christlike that they won and continued to play??

Would they expect the pro's to forfeit a game if they won by such a large margin???

Would they fire the head coach of a Pro or college team if they won by such a large margin?? NO!! And they shouldn't fire this coach either..


The losing team would do good to HIRE this coach..

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In view of a runaway, the coach should put in his 2nd and 3rd team. But that doesn't usually help 'cuz those kids play hard since they don't get in much. A coach can't really say take a dive this second half. It's not fair to his own kids.

If he kept the first team in for the sake of statistics, I'd fire him in a NY minute.

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Gomarus;

It doesn't say if they had a second or third team though, so if they didn't have one..then he couldn't do this...but many coaches do that if the team is such that they can.

In my daughter's league, the team limit is 12, and some it's 10. If you have happen to have a 2nd string that is as strong as the first, it really doesn't matter who you sub in. That happens to be the case with my daughter's team. They have been playing together 5 years, and they are practically unstoppable this season.

Maybe I am the odd man out here, but...

I played basketball at a secular high school, and I don't think my coach would have been proud of running up a score 100-0. I understand the argument of "doing everything for the glory of God." But, continuing to stomp your opponents when they are down 59-0 at halftime? I fail to see how that glorifies God in any fashion - I have seen complete heathens pricked in their conscience for the same behavior.

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I think the title of this thread is perhaps a bit misleading. From the evidence in the article, the coach was fired for publicly contradicting his school's official apology with respect to the incident. If he had just said, "I'm sorry that we hurt those girls' feelings," I'm pretty sure he'd still have a job.

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I believe part of the problem was that the team played full-court press the whole game, when it was completely unnecessary. Normally teams in these situations put the bench in and primarily play defense and play slow-paced offense to run the clock down. This is done for both sportsmanship and due to injury concerns.

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I'm with the minority on this one, I coach sports, and, you don't have to let them score, but you can work on passing, work on many different things, to keep the score under control, sounds like they were "going for 100" at the expense of kids far their inferior. With parents cheering it on.

Even in the NFL, NBA, it's frowned upon to run up scores, on another team.

When I play against the Middle-School students I teach, am I not trying my best because I don't block every shot? No, I'm allowing them to develop, and enjoy the game, by playing at their level.

A team that much better, can learn, grow, compete, actually raise their game and help others, by using strategies to keep the score down.

Just my thoughts.

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It should probably be noted that the Dallas Academy team scores an average of 5 points per game, and loses by an average margin of 50. A 100-0 score against a rather good team is, I'd think, relatively easy to understand without making the winning coach out to be a devil.

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When did the second string go in?

I believe in competitive outcomes but 100 to 0 is a bit overkill.

Can this passage possibly apply?

The school believed it reflected bad upon its Character. The coach didn't believe it did. I believe the school has the right to fire someone based upon their philosophical differences.

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Now on the same token, I'd strongly disagree with Dallas Academy being in the same league as this team. It's not fair to either team or either team's fans to have that sort of arrangement. If you are going to be small, which is a good thing, don't compete against much bigger unless you actually can.

That's ridiculous.

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It's disturbing that it is now shameful and embarrassing to be great.

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It seems that he was fired for publicly disagreeing with the school leadership, which would appear to be a legitimate reason. The problem with discussing these situations is that we do not have all of the details.

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Beating the pulp out of a tremendously inferior team is not a "great" accomplishment.

"wish to extend their highest praise to each member of the Dallas Academy Varsity Girls Basketball team for their strength, composure and fortitude in a game in which they clearly emerged the winner"????!?!?!!!

Give me a break. This is PC garb. A forfeiture of the game is also a smack against the Covenant girls team for playing well. What a load of poo.

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As much as I'm disturbed by the winner's approach to playing the game, forfeiting afterwards like this adds insult to the injury. Apologize to the school for the unsportsmanlike conduct and be done with it. This is the worst way to give Dallas Academy it's first "victory".

I could beat an 11 year old in a boxing match. When I say beat, I mean hit him so hard he probably dies in the first round.

Man, I'm such an awesome boxer.

1. Basketball is not boxing.
2. The teams weren't The Adults vs. The Children.
3. It's a competition.

1. They're both sports.
2. The level of ability is proportional.
3. No it wasn't just as massacres aren't battles.

1. So? They're not the same sport.
2. Two teams decided by the School Districts to play one another. Teams usually aren't proportional in talent. That's what makes it a sport and a competition.
3. Whatever, it's a competition when teams play one another.

But, way before PC; was it EVER good sportsmanship to run up a score?

Not that I remember.

The point is to win, that's fine. Running up the score, to my knowledge, has never been good sportsmanship, even in Pro Sports, where money is on the line.

I dunno, but if running up the score means doing your very best, I don't see why it's bad sportsmanship.

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Can someone explain to me how this was running up the score? They scored 39 points in the first quarter - then 26, then 29, and then 12. Again, the team they were playing hasn't won a game, and loses by an average of 50 points (and I don't think have scored more than 10 points in any one game all season long). So they got beaten 100-0. The team they lost to is probably the best in the conference, and in my opinion held back. What are you supposed to do, not shoot? Just pass the ball around Villanova style? Seems to me if the score had been "run up" we'd be looking at a 150 point or greater margin.

That's why, I don't think, they should forfeit. Your right, you make the choice to play, you play hard despite the score, and take your loss how ever big it comes...that's a winner.

But,

From little league to Pros, running up the score is bad sportsmanship.

But, you are from the South, so it's a little bit "different" down there...lol

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I hope you know Josh, I'm just having fun, which, this whole thread should be, I don't want to run up the score on you....

But I think, in the reaction to the "no winner" mentality of the age we are living, you guys are blinding yourselves to the reality, that the team and coach were wanting to score a hundred points on another team, they kept the D on full blast, shooting 3's till the end, parents cheering like mad, all while a school of kids with disabilities fought their hearts out.

Yeah, 100-0...that's not running it up at all.

Sportsmanship, from duels in ancient times to modern day pros, there should be a respect of the other sportsmen, that we do battle with.

And this was bad sportsmanship.

And as mentioned, although it's in their right to do so, pushing that hard, when you don't need to, just risks injury, so that you can't "play your hardest" the next game.

Or are we carrying this to, a team is not doing the right thing when they rest their best players when in the lead, because that's PC, and we have to "play our best" the whole game?

I know, Friend.
And you know this about the hearts of the coach and team how? As for their "disabilities" I'm not so sure dyslexia and 'short attention spans' are impediments in basketball.
How was disrespect shown?
Who said they were pushing hard? Maybe they didn't do their best and still won by that much? Who knows?

I've run my limit on this one, but, I can't help but laugh at myself, and want to say, in regards to...
..."As for their "disabilities" I'm not so sure dyslexia and 'short attention spans' are impediments in basketball."...

Trust me, it does...lol

God Bless Brothers and Sisters, I hope you're right.

Here is what Fox reports....

FOXNews.com - Girls Basketball Team Regrets Winning 100-0, Seeks Forfeit - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News

So making three pointers continually is pushing hard?

To quote from the article:

Now I know practically nothing about basketball, but if it is anything like other team sports, 20 girls is a meager recruiting ground, to say the least. And given that everyone knew that beforehand, and the team has never won in four seasons, and the opposing team was clearly not the second-last team in the competition, a score of more than, say, 25-0 seems pushing it more than a bit. Leave them a sense of dignity; maybe give your new/weak/backup players a chance to play in a real game? Even things out a bit?

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1. They don't need to be for the purposes of the illustration. That's pretty obvious.
2. Equal is the word you have in mind. Teams are proportional as is evidenced by the fact that there are divisions and leagues. Recreational soccer teams don't play competitive soccer teams in a season. Moreover, when I was playing competitive soccer in the "B" division, I didn't play "A" division teams. The same type of classification is continued on and on. If you're familiar with European soccer, if teams get worse, such as in the case of this basketball team, they are moved out of the league into a lower one.
3. If we apply this logic, then you agree with my sarcastic statement that I am a superior boxer for killing the 11 year old. The "same sport" argument can't be used to defend against this either. If I formed a team with other former competitive soccer players, I could produce an analogous effect if we played a team of 11 year olds.

Well... maybe 7 year olds. There are some awesome 11 year old soccer players. I don't want to be embarrassed by them running up the score on me should I be found to be an inferior player...

Okay, Andrew. You boxing an eleven year old is exactly like two Girls' basketball teams playing one another as decided by involved schools. What was I thinking?

Sorry. If they only had 20 girls in the entire school they shouldn't have fielded a basketball team.

Maybe it is... The full court press during the whole game would definitely be pushing hard. Wouldn't you think? I don't know many teams that do that.

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I hear your satire Josh. But I agree with him. What are you thinking? It sounds like you aren't listening. You usually think pretty good.