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Sports discuss Is Boxing Ethical? in the Entertainment and Humor forums; Not sure this is in the right forum, but its a good question nevertheless....

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    Is Boxing Ethical?

    Not sure this is in the right forum, but its a good question nevertheless.
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    As a martial artists who has studied and boxed since I was a kid I don't see anything wrong with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JM View Post
    As a martial artists who has studied and boxed since I was a kid I don't see anything wrong with it.
    I guess the counter-argument is that if a man is injured in the ring, then his opponent has committed an act of violence against him. That is why I think all boxing should be done with head-guards to prevent serious injury.
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    No, I wouldn't consider it violence against another person, the other man bested him in a fair competition...just like wrestling or football.
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    I enjoy watching UFC (mixed martial arts) fighting, but at times I have wondered if the fighters are violating the sixth commandment and if they are then I certainly shouldn't be entertained by it...

    Any thoughts?
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    Absolutely yes. Boxing is something I hate to do but something that every man should be required to do at least once. It's not about the violence but about focus, discipline, and overcoming fear.

    Do you suppose Paul used so many references to athletes who were training their bodies for no reason? I have had to do a number of things I didn't want to do but knew I had to overcome fear to do and discipline myself to do. It has a steeling effect upon the body and the mind. That kind of mental toughness is required in this world.

    Now, some boxers are not too bright but that's a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SemperFideles View Post
    Absolutely yes. Boxing is something I hate to do but something that every man should be required to do at least once. It's not about the violence but about focus, discipline, and overcoming fear.

    Do you suppose Paul used so many references to athletes who were training their bodies for no reason? I have had to do a number of things I didn't want to do but knew I had to overcome fear to do and discipline myself to do. It has a steeling effect upon the body and the mind. That kind of mental toughness is required in this world.

    Now, some boxers are not too bright but that's a different story.

    I am not against the discipline of sports in general, but boxing (at least without headguards) does seem to be an organised form of violence in which a man is putting himself at unnecessary risk. This is because the boxer is delibertately trying to injure his opponent. Its not like other sports such as American football and rugby which involve manly horseplay.
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    I love the phrase "manly horseplay". And I have no problem with boxing as long as it is Northern Long Fist.
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    I did some amateur boxing back in the day. Nothing wrong with it, but we did use protective equipment to prevent injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thekingsknight View Post
    I did some amateur boxing back in the day. Nothing wrong with it, but we did use protective equipment to prevent injury.



    Yeah, I think that is the position I would favour.
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    It may or may not be ethical, but I sure get a kick out of watching those feather weights on ESPN....those Cats are FAST, I wouldn't jack with 'em!.....the best way to answer the question is with a question.....
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    I am mixed on this issue. UFC I think is sin, it is violence and the goal is to hurt. It is hard to love your neighbor and still try to hurt them.

    NOt as far along the continuum is boxing. Teaching precision and skills has nothing to do with the ethicity of a recreation. Being a seriel killer also would require some discipline, skills, etc. Boxing, just like the UFC, requires that you hurt someone to win (knock out). It is hard to separate victory from the desire to hurt someone and it is impossible not to aim for the pain of the other.


    Other martial arts are in a different class. In Judo, a perfect throw (onto a mat) wins the match, or a pin. In wrestling, the same thing. One need not scramble a fella's brains to win. Technique is king.


    By the way, I did all these in the past. I think mixed martial arts is wrong (one HAS to try to hurt someone), boxing is also out (one HAS to try to hurt someone), but judo and Ju Jitsu and some other martial arts are in because your goal of winning need not come at severe physical pain to your opponent that is often lasting.


    FInally, the medical factor is involved. WE all know that these boxers are mostly mushy headed from being hit. Boxers have higher rates of senility, etc and enjoying a sport that glorifies brawn and not brains to the long term detriment of these boxers being often damaged is not excusable.



    I do think that every young man should be engaged in tests of toughness, and this is especially true if a nation lives in threat. For the armed services whose aim is to learn to kill, all varieties of violence should be practiced.
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    Forgive my ignorance brother but what is "UFC"?
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    Ultimate Fighting Championship
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    Quote Originally Posted by thekingsknight View Post
    Ultimate Fighting Championship
    I am training for that.
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    What then is "Ultimate Fighting Championship"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie View Post
    What then is "Ultimate Fighting Championship"?
    It is a mixed martial arts boxing sanctioned organization. Ultimate Fighting Championship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    I frankly don't understand why anyone would follow "professional" boxing which IMHO is the most corrupt of all the "major" sports today. When the object is to deliberately injure your opponent to the point of concussion, it ceases to be a sport.
    I have no issue with amateur boxing - I voted the "headguard" option - as well as matches among amateurs who are so relatively less skilled that the chance of serious injury is rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beej6 View Post
    ...amateurs who are so relatively less skilled that the chance of serious injury is rare.
    Hmm! How so?
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    I think Don King's "dew" is the most unsavory part! Otherwise a fun sport to watch!
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    I believe that this is truly a matter of Christian conscience. If one Boxes with the goal of trying to seriously and permanently injure others, then I would say that its obviously wrong motivation.
    However, if one boxes for love of the sport, in a safe, gentlemanly way, then I see nothing wrong with it. I have trained in Martial arts for many years and I have yet to be hurt seriously, or hurt anybody else in training, praise God. Bumps and bruises yes, but no serious injuries.
    All sports have an element of danger, personally I would be far more scared to be a stunt man, a race car driver, or even a police officer. These activities are by far more dangerous than simply boxing, yet don't carry a negative stigma about them. I think we often forget that the boxers and martial artists are "professionals", they do this for a living and are able to avoid many, if not most serious injuries because of their skill level. Do accidents and even tragedies happen at times? Yes, but show me a sport, or ANY PROFESSION for that matter, where this is not the case.
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    I grew up boxing. One of my friends is a top ranked contender in the UFC. I think most people do it unethically, but I'm not so sure it has to be. It seems strange to us that a man can punch a man in the face and feel no different than most of us do when we capture our opponent's queen in chess, but I've done it and I'm pretty sure I didn't have a cold dead heart some of those times. I'm sure I could be wrong though. If the issue comes down to one of health, well...I can list quite a few occupations that we'd have to deem unethical in that case, like shoveling 300 degree asphalt in 100 degree weather.
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    Reading this entry reminded me of Telemachus, recalled by Henry Chadwick
    It seems unconceivable to me that a first century Christian would have been involved in boxing.
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