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"The best and final gift of the gospel is that we gain Christ." John Piper. God is the Gospel. Page 11. Crossway Books Wheaton,IL 2005.
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06-17-2008, 06:16 PM
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Could you repost the link?  |
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He looks like he needs a fix.
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Bawb! You da man!
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"Whatever is laudable in our works proceeds from the grace of God."
-- John Calvin, Institutes III:xv.3.
"Our Lord God must be a good man, to be fond of worthless fellows. I cannot like them, and yet I, myself, am one."
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06-17-2008, 09:59 PM
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I think it would be terribly difficult to stay awake listening to this in person. He looks very sedate and his voice is sort of monotone.   |
06-17-2008, 10:16 PM
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Who is that guy?
I wonder how his big ol' church started?
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06-17-2008, 10:21 PM
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He had some points but I found it hard to keep focused. I listened to it a few times and kept getting distracted and forgetting to listen.
I am interested in the idea that if you did some of these things in the corporate world you would end up in jail.
What exactly was he referring to?
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06-17-2008, 10:47 PM
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I disagree. I've seen this kind of thing happening but I disagree with his assesment of why people plant new churches and why people leave to go to a new church. He seems to be working hard to treat the church body like a corporate membership. If that is his view of the church and I heard that message on any given Sun, I think I'd be lookin' for the nearest pirate!
ARRRGH
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06-17-2008, 11:17 PM
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I think as a general message however it is true that often we 'plant' new churches that simply drain the existing churches of their members instead of get new new Christians. This might be good or it might be bad but you can get some really funny growth statistics out of it.
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06-17-2008, 11:32 PM
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I would need to know more about 1. The speaker and 2. the men who he is calling pirates. He says it took 20 years for one of the splits to occur. Giving the pirate the benefit of the doubt, if he has major theological issues with a church, he is morally obligated to discuss it with the eldership first and I would also grant the pirate to discuss his theological dilemmas with some close friends in church. If he leaves and his friends leave too who have come to the same conclusions, it may be painful to the church but we are to have clear consciouses in worship.
If the pirate suddenly finds himself in a heretical church because of Biblical truth being revealed to him (ie. he finds he has been worshiping in a works-based church) he had better haul in all the fish he can gather out of that church before he heads out and feel good about it!
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06-17-2008, 11:38 PM
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I've found myself in that position twice and sadly the fish weren't bitin'
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06-17-2008, 11:49 PM
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I believe that is Ed Young Jr.
Terry
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06-18-2008, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mossy  I believe that is Ed Young Jr.
Terry | I think so too based on the website he has.
Here is his purpose statement. Quote:
Our Purpose for Ed Young Ministries is simple: We exist to Reach Up, Reach Out and Reach In. These three are the biblical mandates of this ministry.
Reach Up
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." Matthew 22:37
We work hard to provide an exciting and God-honoring environment to connect with God and worship Him. When we worship God, we express our love and devotion to Him. What an honor it is to come humbly before the creator of the Universe. All of us are wired for worship, and the only way we can express true love to God and worship Him is through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
Reach Out
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." Matthew 28:19
Another key purpose of Ed Young Ministries is to reach out to the people who are outside the family of God. We utilize the most powerful forms of media and communications available and the development and distribution of practical teaching resources to communicate the life-changing message of God's Word. With the prayers and support of our friends and partners around the world, we present a creative and relevant message of Christ and His love for people worldwide.
Reach In
"And teaching them to obey everything I commanded you." Matthew 28:20
We also exist to help you as a Christ-follower grow in your spiritual maturity and become full-court followers of Christ. Because the Christian life is one of constant growth and development, we are focused on teaching people how to apply biblical truth in every area of their lives. We want to help you move from a spectator in the stands to the game of active service and encourage you to influence every aspect of the world around you.
| It's man centered. I could not worship there. The more Biblical a person became the harder it would be to stay there. That's not to say the pirates were right or wrong in starting aother churches from members there.
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