Evangelism, Missions and the Persecuted ChurchDiscussions about Evangelism, the Church and missions, personal missions experiences and the Persecuted Church throughout the world.
I keep hearing that we should always follow the Biblical example when we evangelize or do missions.
But, let's take the following list:
• Blanketing an area with radio and/or TV broadcasts and telling listeners/watchers to write in for a correspondence course. In similar fashion, having a website ministry.
• Going door-to-door and asking people to come to a Sunday meeting.
• Conducting huge tent or stadium crusades and hoping that converts could be gathered together afterwards to form a worshiping church.
• Translating the Bible into the local language and praying that the co-translators will be the first ones to come to know Christ.
• Building a huge, beautiful church building then inviting people to come fill it (like the Alliance did in Lima, Peru).
• Starting home Bible Studies among interested people and hopefully gathering them together into a church at a later date.
• Starting cell groups with the goal to making them multiply within a few months (a la Ralph Neighbor).
• Massive literature distribution (a la Every Home Crusade).
• Friendship evangelism, especially in closed countries.
• Starting hospitals, schools, and orphanages with the hopes that people will be exposed to the gospel while there.
• Doing community development in the hopes that social action will be interpreted as Christ’s agape love for the world.
• Concentrating on planting a church planting movement—the big buzz word today in missions. (list compiled by another)
Some of these methods hadn’t been invented in the Apostle Paul’s day.
There is thus no Biblical example of many of these, even translating the Bible (Paul did not translate)...was not included.
So, if we are trying to be Biblical, which of these "innovations" can we use.
And how does this square with the regulative principle that says not to add it unless the Bible has it.
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Pergamum
"If a commission by an earthly king is considered a honor, how can a commission by a Heavenly King be considered a sacrifice?"
-- David Livingstone
Interesting; you have heard of Every Home Crusade; they are from Northern Ireland.
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Daniel Ritchie
Saintfield, Northern Ireland - Queen's University, Belfast:History/Politics
Member of Dromara Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland (Covenanter)
I keep hearing that we should always follow the Biblical example when we evangelize or do missions.
But, let's take the following list:
• Blanketing an area with radio and/or TV broadcasts and telling listeners/watchers to write in for a correspondence course. In similar fashion, having a website ministry.
• Going door-to-door and asking people to come to a Sunday meeting.
• Conducting huge tent or stadium crusades and hoping that converts could be gathered together afterwards to form a worshiping church.
• Translating the Bible into the local language and praying that the co-translators will be the first ones to come to know Christ.
• Building a huge, beautiful church building then inviting people to come fill it (like the Alliance did in Lima, Peru).
• Starting home Bible Studies among interested people and hopefully gathering them together into a church at a later date.
• Starting cell groups with the goal to making them multiply within a few months (a la Ralph Neighbor).
• Massive literature distribution (a la Every Home Crusade).
• Friendship evangelism, especially in closed countries.
• Starting hospitals, schools, and orphanages with the hopes that people will be exposed to the gospel while there.
• Doing community development in the hopes that social action will be interpreted as Christ’s agape love for the world.
• Concentrating on planting a church planting movement—the big buzz word today in missions. (list compiled by another)
Some of these methods hadn’t been invented in the Apostle Paul’s day.
There is thus no Biblical example of many of these, even translating the Bible (Paul did not translate)...was not included.
So, if we are trying to be Biblical, which of these "innovations" can we use.
And how does this square with the regulative principle that says not to add it unless the Bible has it.
A question you need to ask Perg, is whether or not these things may "by good and necessary consequence be deduced from Scripture", and thus divinely ordained? If these things may be legitimately deduced from Scripture, then they are not innovations.
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Daniel Ritchie
Saintfield, Northern Ireland - Queen's University, Belfast:History/Politics
Member of Dromara Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland (Covenanter)
Yes, tell me more of the every home crusade. I have heard, but know little...
The man who founded it Ernie Allen died about 5 years ago, he was a very zealous man who printed millions of tracts to sent to people all round the world. The work started off as Mr. Allen desired to distribute a copy of John's Gospel to every home in Northern Ireland (hence the name "Every Home Crusade"), then it grew and grew.
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Daniel Ritchie
Saintfield, Northern Ireland - Queen's University, Belfast:History/Politics
Member of Dromara Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland (Covenanter)
A question you need to ask Perg, is whether or not these things may "by good and necessary consequence be deduced from Scripture", and thus divinely ordained? If these things may be legitimately deduced from Scripture, then they are not innovations.
I agree with Daniel. This is a good point.
Innovations in society regarding methods and technology are inevitable and not necessarily evil unless the innovation consists in altering God's word for the sake of "better" results.
Case in point: innovating who can and cannot be lawfully ordained in order to start churches with greater speed. The intention appears noble, but God's word always trumps our plans and intentions. Saul lost the kingdom due to such "good" intentions.
The Methodists Circuit Riders of the 19th century were an innovation credited with the greatest success in expanding the church into the new western frontier in America. They would travel door to door and simply appoint anyone to office of minister and thus start churches with out going through the "slow and rigid" ordination processes required by the reformed churches. Yes churches sprang up faster but do the results justify the non-biblical innovation?
I am always amazed at how the broad evangelical church justify all their innovations such as drama, puppet shows, in-service starbucks, etc. with the amount of people they reach or convert.
The altar call was an innovation that also had great "results" and still does today.
So it depends on the innovation. God's word does not need innovated and no matter how well intentioned the "sacrifice" and how many people appear to be converted as a result and how many churches started, God's word stands and He will rightly judge such innovations and use whatever sinful means He deems to accomplish His good purposes.
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--chRis
Psalm 115:1
Christopher Reeder
Husband to Kara, Father to Abigail (7), Caleb (6), Grace (4 1/2), Zoë (3), Elijah (1 1/2) and Hannah (born 8/8/2008)
how about voluntarily associations then, such as William Carey called for in his "Enquiry." This gave birth to the missionary society, which is classified under the broad heading of "Para-church". Can this innovation be allowed?
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Pergamum
"If a commission by an earthly king is considered a honor, how can a commission by a Heavenly King be considered a sacrifice?"
-- David Livingstone
how about voluntarily associations then, such as William Carey called for in his "Enquiry." This gave birth to the missionary society, which is classified under the broad heading of "Para-church". Can this innovation be allowed?
In my opinion, Presbyterian church polity rules out the need for such things as missionary work can be run through the oversight of church courts.
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Daniel Ritchie
Saintfield, Northern Ireland - Queen's University, Belfast:History/Politics
Member of Dromara Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland (Covenanter)
What about Wycliff Bible Society? From what I have seen they do awesome stuff. However, they are not under any denominational umbrella that I know of. Have you met any of these types, Pergie?
how about voluntarily associations then, such as William Carey called for in his "Enquiry." This gave birth to the missionary society, which is classified under the broad heading of "Para-church". Can this innovation be allowed?
William Carey planted a seed that can never be minimalized. A great pioneer. Daniel thoughts on oversight of church courts is ok to the end of their being made aware, but not for permission of such endeavor. The 'courts' of Crey's days were overwhelmingly against him going to the heathen. Thank God he listened to our Lord instead of them. "Courts' have the tendancy to act like Saul's armour. Way to heavy and burdensome to accomplish the mission at hand. Hence David took it off.
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N. Robert; Trinity Reformed Church RCA, Holland MI
Once in a while you can get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right."
how about voluntarily associations then, such as William Carey called for in his "Enquiry." This gave birth to the missionary society, which is classified under the broad heading of "Para-church". Can this innovation be allowed?
William Carey planted a seed that can never be minimalized. A great pioneer. Daniel thoughts on oversight of church courts is ok to the end of their being made aware, but not for permission of such endeavor. The 'courts' of Crey's days were overwhelmingly against him going to the heathen. Thank God he listened to our Lord instead of them. "Courts' have the tendancy to act like Saul's armour. Way to heavy and burdensome to accomplish the mission at hand. Hence David took it off.
Its true that they were against him; but if they had been in favour of his proposals this would have helped his labour's.
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Daniel Ritchie
Saintfield, Northern Ireland - Queen's University, Belfast:History/Politics
Member of Dromara Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland (Covenanter)
KMK: Do you ever feel as if you are supporting an unbiblical practice by supporting those that desire to translate God's Word for those who don't have it? And, could local Presbyterian churches train linguists and send them like Wycliffe does?
I received criticism by some who stated that all missions must stem and pass through the local church and the parachurches should - to be biblical - all be disbanded. But, I heard much of this while getting some of the best training I ever have had through SIL - a service that cannot be replicated by individual churches, but only as a result of broad cooperation and a more general doctrinal statement so that more Christians could pass through their walls and be trained.
I actually have a church now that prays for me but cannot officially support me because I work through a parachurch. There is no other doctrinal difference except my "sinful tolerance of parachurches.." They revere Carey highly and do not realize that he championed the voluntary association.
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Pergamum
"If a commission by an earthly king is considered a honor, how can a commission by a Heavenly King be considered a sacrifice?"
-- David Livingstone
The 'courts' of Crey's days were overwhelmingly against him going to the heathen.
This was a meeting of ministers, not a church court. Further, the story concerning Ryland and Carey is anecdotal, and unhistorical. See the footnote on this page: The Work of Faith, the Labour of ... - Google Book Search. Blessings!
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The 'courts' of Crey's days were overwhelmingly against him going to the heathen.
This was a meeting of ministers, not a church court. Further, the story concerning Ryland and Carey is anecdotal, and unhistorical. See the footnote on this page: The Work of Faith, the Labour of ... - Google Book Search. Blessings!
Interesting, I was always led to believe that the story was true.
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Daniel Ritchie
Saintfield, Northern Ireland - Queen's University, Belfast:History/Politics
Member of Dromara Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland (Covenanter)
The 'courts' of Crey's days were overwhelmingly against him going to the heathen.
This was a meeting of ministers, not a church court. Further, the story concerning Ryland and Carey is anecdotal, and unhistorical. See the footnote on this page: The Work of Faith, the Labour of ... - Google Book Search. Blessings!
Hence I put in in quotes matthew. Either way, It is 100% true certain baptists at the time were vehemently against his efforts. This cannot be denied
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N. Robert; Trinity Reformed Church RCA, Holland MI
Once in a while you can get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right."
My concern with 'innovations' is the buggaboo/strawman/bogeyman under every bed/slippery slope (call it what you will) that you will innovate until you come to the misty mountain top where Finney summed it all up: "Is it fit to convert sinners with?"
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A question you need to ask Perg, is whether or not these things may "by good and necessary consequence be deduced from Scripture", and thus divinely ordained? If these things may be legitimately deduced from Scripture, then they are not innovations.
With that as the litmus test, can we say conclusively that if it fails that test, it is not a legit 'innovation'?
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Kevin
Far East
Deacon, Int'l Church
My concern with 'innovations' is the buggaboo/strawman/bogeyman under every bed/slippery slope (call it what you will) that you will innovate until you come to the misty mountain top where Finney summed it all up: "Is it fit to convert sinners with?"
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A question you need to ask Perg, is whether or not these things may "by good and necessary consequence be deduced from Scripture", and thus divinely ordained? If these things may be legitimately deduced from Scripture, then they are not innovations.
With that as the litmus test, can we say conclusively that if it fails that test, it is not a legit 'innovation'?
So, by good and necessary consequence, which of these is permissible:
• Blanketing an area with radio and/or TV broadcasts and telling listeners/watchers to write in for a correspondence course. In similar fashion, having a website ministry.
• Going door-to-door and asking people to come to a Sunday meeting.
• Conducting huge tent or stadium crusades and hoping that converts could be gathered together afterwards to form a worshiping church.
• Translating the Bible into the local language and praying that the co-translators will be the first ones to come to know Christ.
• Building a huge, beautiful church building then inviting people to come fill it (like the Alliance did in Lima, Peru).
• Starting home Bible Studies among interested people and hopefully gathering them together into a church at a later date.
• Starting cell groups with the goal to making them multiply within a few months (a la Ralph Neighbor).
• Massive literature distribution (a la Every Home Crusade).
• Friendship evangelism, especially in closed countries.
• Starting hospitals, schools, and orphanages with the hopes that people will be exposed to the gospel while there.
• Doing community development in the hopes that social action will be interpreted as Christ’s agape love for the world.
• Concentrating on planting a church planting movement—the big buzz word today in missions. (list compiled by another)
Also include radio and music and film ministry. Throw in puppet show ministry, storying, and internet evangelism.
What can be drawn from Scripture. Paul seemed quite flexible in method and yet had a Gospel core he preached. Compare acts 14 and Acts 17 for Paul's rhetorical variety. Paul even quoted pagans and preached in pagan debate arenas. Paul preached, explained, wrote letters and seemed to attempt to communicate by all possible means at his disposal.
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Pergamum
"If a commission by an earthly king is considered a honor, how can a commission by a Heavenly King be considered a sacrifice?"
-- David Livingstone
