Hello;

I am studying the Anti Missions Baptists and related groups like the Landmarker movement.

Can anyone help?

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Probably.

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Well, you were a big help.

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They are commonly referred to as "Strict" or "Gospel Standard Strict Baptist". Or as some of my friends and I call them "those stupid heretics who will be on fire for Jesus later since they aint now" (thats even a grammatically correct usage of aint)

What do you want to know? Also Landmarkers, with their "trail of blood" are not typically hypercalvinists.

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Landmarkers are not the same as Gospel Mission Baptists, if you are talking about the Gospel Missions folks. There are some related traits, though.

I am also not focusing on the succesionism of these groups, but on their views on missions methodology, their repulsion towards boards or collective efforts in missions, and their reaction to Luther Rice as he tried to raise money for missions.

Not all Landmarkers are opposed to missions - I knew one who was a missionary in a very difficult area of Oaxaca, and his commitment to missions was proved by the danger he and his family endured.

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They are often in favor only of "Direct Missions" one missionary sent by one church as an agent out of that church. Any board, agency or fellowship or association sending out an individual is often frowned upon, due to fears of "usurping" the authority of the local church.

That might have been the case with this fellow, I don't know. When your OP said "Anti Missions" I didn't realize that "Anti Missions" meant "anti mission agencies".

I can see how one would see that, but that is like a dispensationalist calling a covenant theologian "replacement". It has more to do with closed communion its associated membership than usurping some local church. In the view of the landmarker there is no reason for missions where there is a local church, at least a local legitimate (read landmark) church.

See? I told ya probably.

Primitive Baptists and Old Regular Baptists tend to oppose mission boards and the sending of missionaries by Baptist associations. They are very similar to the Gospel Standard Strict and Particular Baptists in that respect.
Here are some web sites that may help.
The Primitive Baptist Page
Primitive Baptist Web Station
http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/commun...imbap/pbl.html

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I misread Gospel Standard Strict and Particular Baptists as being two groups: "Gospel Standard Strict" and "Particular" Baptists. I am posting my mistake in case anyone else is as dumb as I am right now.

Some of our English brothers can set us straight on this but my understanding is that not all Particular Baptists are Strict Baptists and not all Strict Baptists are Gospel Standard Baptists. Thus Gospel Standard is a subset of Strict Baptists and Strict Baptists is a subset of Particular Baptists.

Particular Baptists is a term that should be used to differentiate the group from General Baptists. The General/Particular refers to the groups view on atonement.

HOWEVER there is a group called "strict and particular" who are hyper calvinists. Particular Baptists reject the "strict", "strict and particular" and "Gospel Standard Strict" from membership as the Particular Baptists are Calvinists and the other 3 are hyperC.

Only if you use the broadest definitions can you say that GSS, S & P AND S are part of particular Baptistry. Particular Baptists today are known as Reformed Baptists.

And the help just keeps on comin', Pergalicious!

It's like the Josh Hicks running commentary on this thread.

If the help keeps on coming, I would LOVE a concise summary of anti-missions baptists and their key doctrines and reasons for holding to such. And how calvy baptists now are influenced by them. And also the good and the bad points that this group advocated.

Yeah! Maybe.

I am trying to figure out where the Black Rock address fits in:

Black Rock Address

I hath a 7 volume work by Gilbert Beebe, but after 150 pages in his first volume i became so tired and sick of his anti-missions comments that i sold my set because i considerd it heresy. Landmarkers are not against spreading the gospel by diong missions work, they are against missions boards...etc.

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Ralph, that sort of thing is what I am looking for. I am trying to understand these sentiments.

I wonder if Elder Lasserre Bradley, Jr. could be of some help to you. Elder Bradley is pastor of the Cincinnati Primitive Baptist Church.
Cincinnati Primitive Baptist Church
I suggest him as a resource because he was a Missionary Baptist before he came over to the Primitive Baptist Church. He is not hardline enough to please some Primitive Baptists. His radio broadcast is the Baptist Bible Hour.
Baptist Bible Hour

As an oddity let me also point you to a Primitive Baptist Website from the Philippines mission field.
http://www.whiteuntoharvest.org

Thanks. One of the writers of this website seems to sum up his position here:


I like his match analogy.

However, missionaries who are part of other mission boards have done a GREAT deal of work in the Philippines. And the contributions of these dwarf the comparatively meager contributions of the Primitive Baptists.

Also, these other mission boards, I am sure, do not suppose themselves to provide both the "fuel" and the "match" as this writer quoted supposes. I know several 5 pointers in the Philippines. This writer seems to have an Elijah Complex, as if only his small group is doing things right.

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Here is a helpful critique of the Landmark view of the church and baptist history:

http://www.dbts.edu/pdf/macp/2007/Pr...rotestants.pdf

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Pergamum,

You might also want to visit this: Bryan Station Home

It's a website of a Landmark baptist church in Kentucky. It has planted lots of Landmark churches in many countries including the Philippines. Apparently, they also don't have mission societies and the like.

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